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Boden’s 50017 to be scrapped?

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Peter C said:
I can see the likeness between the two! However, would it be a big job? I think that you would need to do some serious work to make a 50 into DP2.
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There's been the odd mention of using 55016 as a doner to recreate DP2 (with a 50 engine).
I don't think a standard Deltic could possibly take the weight of a class 50 power unit though.

Oh ok. Excellent! Does the GCR have any 50's already? If so, I wonder if a 50 Gala, like the SVR, could happen (maybe smaller if there aren't many 50s)?
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No they haven't got a 50. It'd be nice to imagine that it would get a chance to stretch its legs doing a bit of testing work on the GCR though at some point in the future.
 
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Cowley said:
There's been the odd mention of using 55016 as a doner to recreate DP2 (with a 50 engine).
I don't think a standard Deltic could possibly take the weight of a class 50 power unit though.


No they haven't got a 50. It'd be nice to imagine that it would get a chance to stretch its legs doing a bit of testing work on the GCR though at some point in the future.
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I thought, with my limited knowledge of these kind of engines, that the Deltics were really powerful and strong; are the 50s more powerful?
And yes; it would be amazing to see a 50 on the GCR. I think that if they could at least one more 50 to Loughborough they could hold a (very small) photographic event using the double-track section.
 
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Peter C said:
I thought, with my limited knowledge of these kind of engines, that the Deltics were really powerful and strong; are the 50s more powerful?
And yes; it would be amazing to see a 50 on the GCR. I think that if they could at least one more 50 to Loughborough they could hold a (very small) photographic event using the double-track section.
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The Deltics were more powerful than the class 50s, but they had two lightweight high revving Napier engines in them compared to the class 50s single low revving (and heavy) one.
The class 50 is a 2700 horse power machine and weighs about 117 tons.
The class 55 has 3300 hp and weighs around 100 tons...
DP2 I believe had a substantial amount of strengthening done to take the weight of the 16CSVT engine (what became the class 50 engine) in the middle of the locomotive.
I think if you put that power unit into a standard Deltic body it would soon become banana shaped. ;)
 
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Cowley said:
The Deltics were more powerful than the class 50s, but they had two lightweight high revving Napier engines in them compared to the class 50s single low revving (and heavy) one.
The class 50 is a 2700 horse power machine and weighs about 117 tons.
The class 55 has 3300 hp and weighs around 100 tons...
DP2 I believe had a substantial amount of strengthening done to take the weight of the 16CSVT engine (what became the class 50 engine) in the middle of the locomotive.
I think if you put that power unit into a standard Deltic body it would soon become banana shaped. ;)
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Ha! I bet someone, somewhere is raising money to get that done right now...
 
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Well, there's plenty of Deltics to donate some body parts... :)
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There are in fact two Deltic cabs around aren't there?

The problem with splicing those two onto a 50 bodyshell would be that you would effectively be creating a "cut and shut" on a huge scale so it may well not be allowed to move anywhere once it's done... At least that's the reason I was given about 10 - 15 years ago when I suggested the exact same thing!
 
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Has nobody suggested DELTIC yet? It'd be great to see Strand Road's pioneer to the rails again.
 
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So the mainline equipment being removed from 50017, I presume, is TPWS & GSM-R? No need to remove AWS as well I presume and should they become available in the future they could easily be refitted?
 
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Why not go the whole hog and swap the cabs from a 50 and a Deltic? Create DP2 and the proposed Super Deltic
 
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I am not sure we need to recreate DP2 or Deltic. Anyway any fule know that Deltics are better than 50's!. Racehorses v Cart horses.
 
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DarloRich said:
I am not sure we need to recreate DP2 or Deltic. Anyway any fule know that Deltics are better than 50's!. Racehorses v Cart horses.
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Would be interesting to see one put against the other on the same load as expect a 50 would be superior off the line due to be able to use full available power at lower speeds; Deltic would probably start to over take much later on. Opened a can of worms here?
 
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jwbuchanan said:
Why not go the whole hog and swap the cabs from a 50 and a Deltic? Create DP2 and the proposed Super Deltic
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Good to see the usual enthusiast disease of playing fantasy trains with someone else's money (and locos) is alive and well!
 
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Peter Mugridge said:
There are in fact two Deltic cabs around aren't there?

The problem with splicing those two onto a 50 bodyshell would be that you would effectively be creating a "cut and shut" on a huge scale so it may well not be allowed to move anywhere once it's done... At least that's the reason I was given about 10 - 15 years ago when I suggested the exact same thing!
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BR grafted replacement cabs onto crashed locos on a regular basis. They often used cut and shut repairs.
 
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BR grafted replacement cabs onto crashed locos on a regular basis. They often used cut and shut repairs.
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So... could it in fact be done, then? Using the two unattached Deltic cabs to turn a 50 into DP2...?

I think we need to hear from someone with structural experience... there must be someone on here who has worked on locomotive bodyshells?
 
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well assuming this is not a wind up there will be several major problems
different profiles at the joint
back off cab on a deltic perhaps 8ft further back on the body giving 16ft less engine room or 2x8ft overhang
need i go on ??
 
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big all said:
well assuming this is not a wind up there will be several major problems
different profiles at the joint
back off cab on a deltic perhaps 8ft further back on the body giving 16ft less engine room or 2x8ft overhang
need i go on ??
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Pah !

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