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Cape Gauge was used in many countries throughout the world. It has been identified primarily with the Cape Colony in South Africa but was used first in the UK on a variety of tramways. Later its use extended into a number of countries in the Far East including New Zealand, Indonesia and in particular Japan.

Cape Gauge was chosen as the 'standard gauge' in Japan. This post provides an introduction to the historic railways of Japan. The story includes a variety of different gauges. The use of different gauges seems at least as complex as the situation in the UK.

This post is an introduction to the railways of Japan and centres around the use of Cape Gauge. ........

https://rogerfarnworth.com/2019/01/09/japanese-railway-history-cape-gauge
 
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Cape Gauge was used in many countries throughout the world. It has been identified primarily with the Cape Colony in South Africa but was used first in the UK on a variety of tramways. Later its use extended into a number of countries in the Far East including New Zealand, Indonesia and in particular Japan.

Cape Gauge was chosen as the 'standard gauge' in Japan. This post provides an introduction to the historic railways of Japan. The story includes a variety of different gauges. The use of different gauges seems at least as complex as the situation in the UK.

This post is an introduction to the railways of Japan and centres around the use of Cape Gauge. ........

https://rogerfarnworth.com/2019/01/09/japanese-railway-history-cape-gauge

Fascinating historical material -- many thanks.

A bit of an "aside"; by my understanding, from contemporary reports: steam remained in regular everyday service on the Japanese state railways, a little longer than for the same situation in a number of Western European countries: the end in Japan is thought to have been about the turn of the year 1975 / 76. In the earlier 1970s, Japanese state-railways steam -- active chiefly on lesser lines, and disappearing first from the biggest island Honshu -- was still both relatively plentiful, and quite varied. Few British enthusiasts seem to have sampled it: one figures that as of nearly half a century ago -- dauntingly far-off and likely to be prohibitively expensive, for not all that much gain. I have the impression that more American enthusiasts went there in those times: relatively, closer to home; and what with second-half-20th-century political and military matters, more closeness in general between the nations concerned.

Very interesting the way that the "Cape gauge" (3ft. 6in. / 1067mm) came to cover so much of the world; and that its first great exponent, and zealous evangelist for its merits, was not British, but the Norwegian Carl Abraham Pihl. (Norway had in the late 19th century, its own fierce "Battle of the Gauges" between the 3ft. 6in.'s champions headed by Pihl, and the proponents of the standard four-eight-and-a-half gauge. The tide turned in the last years of the 19th century; but much of the state system had been built and opened on the 3ft. 6in. -- and that same, dwindled only slowly: it was a fair number of decades before all the State 3ft. 6in. gauge was gone.)

It has always struck me as at least a little odd, both that the Cape gauge's very earliest users and popularisers were non-British; and that in British territory, India for secondary main lines -- and in due course the "daughter" system in East Africa -- used, instead, metre gauge. (I have seen this latter, attributed to its being decided on as a sop to the then energetic lobbyists in Britain, for our country's adopting the metric system.) The feeling is got, that maybe 150-odd years ago, there had not yet developed the degree of polarisation re weights and especially measures, which later came about (Britain and North America, Imperial; virtually everywhere else, metric) -- these things were then, perhaps, rather less clear-cut. I'm also rather taken with the way that, beginning in the early 1870s, the USA took to its heart for narrow-gauge secondary lines -- some of these, of very respectable length -- yet another gauge in the general ballpark of "roughly two-thirds of standard": that of 3ft. (917mm), relatively rare elsewhere. Stuff is imaginable along the lines of, "if those stinking Limeys and Canucks are gonna use 3ft. 6in., no way will we do likewise -- we'll durned well pick a different gauge !"
 
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It's me again -- would quote 2 Corinthians 11:19, substituting for the fourth word, "bores", and for the tenth, "interesting" ! Seriously -- fascinating material: thanks. There are counterparts on the narrow-gauge logging scene elsewhere in the world, for instance in Romania; which had even a generation ago, a large kilometrage of logging lines, 760mm equivalent of those in Japan -- very little left of same, except for short preserved / tourist / heritage odds-and-ends. One splendid truly-working 760mm line remains in Romania: that at Viseu de Sus in the mountainous far north -- logging operations diesel-worked, several steam locos kept in working order for regular tourist, and occasional enthusiast, specials. I visited this line about a year ago -- reckoned it a delight.

The Kiso Forest system gets an approving mention in the book Far Wheels by C.S. Small, globetrotting American enthusiast active around the 1950s -- he visited the Kiso roughly in the middle of that decade. Tells of the Baldwins chiefly in charge, then -- writes of their being expected to "last for a few years more and their place will be taken by diesels of various types." He saw, then, with progressive re-afforestation, the line being kept "in business for ever". If only...
 

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I have just returned from Hiking in Yakushima, an extinct volcanic island in the south of Japan. One of the main hiking trails is along the trackbed of one of these old logging railways. It's still in use to get equipment to and from the trailheads. It's a fabulous walk - not least because the gradient is pretty relaxed.
 

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Thanks -- most interesting; and, fascinating and delightful pictures. It's nice to be reminded how splendidly wild and rugged Japan's "outback" can be; easy to be aware only of the country's "human anthill" image.

Comparing again if I may, with the similar scene in Romania; interesting how in Japan, at the latter end of the history of forestry railways' use for their designated purpose, it would seem that diesel traction replaced steam pretty much across the board. In Romania, the 760mm gauge forestry lines stayed all-but totally steam, to the very last (early / mid-2000s) -- the sole survivor (Viseu de Sus, mentioned earlier in this thread) is an exception: "real" traffic is diesel, with a few steam locos for "fun stuff". On the Viseu line -- just as in pictures shown in this thread, of action in Japan -- tiny railcar or quasi-railcar machines are present and active in abundance, performing various staff-working and ancillary duties. When I was there, they seemed to pop up everywhere among the loco-hauled workings, in a rather alarming and seemingly anarchic way: maybe all was actually under a greater degree of control, than it appeared to be to the unskilled eye.

(For their last few decades, Romania's forestry lines were mostly worked by the same numerous class of modern 0-8-0T; a final batch of which were built way after most of the class, as late as the 1980s. This was a bit of a controversial thing at the time; with many saying, "This is wantonly wasteful -- Eastern Europe is awash with redundant '2ft. 6in.' gauge steam locos". However -- under the rule of the late unlamented Mr. Ceausescu, there were a lot of things which made little or no sense.)
 
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Calthrop, really interesting. Quite a few similarities except for the longer survival of steam.
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I find it piquant that, as per people's often-held preconceptions (prejudices, maybe) about various countries: in most matters, there are probably few nationalities less resembling each other -- as regards both national virtues, and vices -- than Japan and Romania !
 
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The Kiso Forest Railways - Part E

I am indebted to a number of Japanese language websites for many of the photographs in this series of posts. I am glad to say that I have been able to contact the site owners and have full permission to reproduce the photographs from their sites.

You will see that I am particularly grateful for permission from the site owner of 'rintetsu.net' for many of the photos in this next post.

On that site you will find considerably more photographs of the route covered here.

This next post covers the Forest Railway which leaves the JR Chuo Line at Yabuhara in the Kiso Forest area - The Ogiso Forest Railway.

http://rogerfarnworth.com/2019/03/0...o-railway-part-e-the-ogiso-line-from-yabuhara
 

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Fascinating material -- thank you. What with Japan's scenic beauties as shown in many of your photographs of these locations -- I wonder whether the country is rather overlooked, as worth visiting by those who enjoy spectacular scenery.

If only these n/g lines could still be vigorously in use today -- even with diesel traction -- hauling timber out of the back-country :( (with re-planting and re-growth guaranteed).
 
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