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What does this railway sign mean?

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Apologies if it has been asked before, but can anyone tell me what the sign that looks like a saltire on the left in the picture below means on the railway? I’ve seen it in a few places and never worked it out. Thanks. The station is Chapeltown SY if that helps.
 

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It is a cancelling indicator (AWS can be disregarded when travelling in that direction). Unsure about the location but it must be a bidirectional line and the magnet is not suppressed when travelling in that direction.
 
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Low adhesion warning sign? It isn’t bidi as far as I know.
 
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I’m obviously no expert, but I’d be surprised if it were bi-di. That’s the south running line towards Sheffield. I’ve never seen anything travel it in the opposite direction and I can’t see any reason why anything would want/need to apart from disruption.
 
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No the platform isn’t bidi. Edited to add think it’s usually covered over until low adhesion season when accompanied by temporary aws magnet.
 
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LCC106 said:
No the platform isn’t bidi. Edited to add think it’s usually covered over until low adhesion season when accompanied by temporary aws magnet.
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There is a shunt signal off the back of the platform though for a crossover.
 
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It is 100% an aws cancelling indicator. The line doesn’t have to be BiDi. It just means the AWS you’ve just passed over and had to cancel (by hitting the yellow aws cancel button in the cab) was not for your train and can be ignored. It’ll be for trains passing in the other direction. I think it’s a cheaper installation where the magnet isn’t suppressed.
 
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I was more concerned about the IBH 'Intermediate Block Home' Signal plate.
 
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ComUtoR said:
I was more concerned about the IBH 'Intermediate Block Home' Signal plate.
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Ha, well spotted. Seems a bit strange there on its own? Could it be for trams at all??

Edit - just did a bit of googleing and I can’t find any evidence of trams. That’s got me wondering now.
 
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My guess is that there was a signal there previously but it was removed or that the signal the plate relates to isn't pictured. The AWS was probably linked to the IBH, hence the cancellation indicator. Maybe its there to remind the Driver which signal the cancellation indicator is for.

All guesses of course, I had no idea where Chapeltown was and had to look it up in the sectional appendix.
 
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ComUtoR said:
My guess is that there was a signal there previously but it was removed or that the signal the plate relates to isn't pictured. The AWS was probably linked to the IBH, hence the cancellation indicator. Maybe its there to remind the Driver which signal the cancellation indicator is for.

All guesses of course, I had no idea where Chapeltown was and had to look it up in the sectional appendix.
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The station was moved and rebuilt just south of the old station (the platforms still remain), so the old signal could be the old platform starter signal?
 
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ComUtoR said:
My guess is that there was a signal there previously but it was removed or that the signal the plate relates to isn't pictured. The AWS was probably linked to the IBH, hence the cancellation indicator. Maybe its there to remind the Driver which signal the cancellation indicator is for.

All guesses of course, I had no idea where Chapeltown was and had to look it up in the sectional appendix.
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I just went with Traksy.uk. I had no clue either but as it was close to Sheffield, I thought of trams. I’m wrong though. What you say makes more sense.
 
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I was more concerned about the IBH 'Intermediate Block Home' Signal plate.
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I reckon you've got driver's brain on and are seeing what you would expect to see about the place when thinking about signalling - I don't think you'd ever see an IB home plate anywhere other than physically attached to a signal post.

What you're actually seeing there is the reverse side of the bottom most one of these signs (or one of it's variants, wording changes depending on location I believe) affixed to an upright post as a standard end of platform fitting.

I mean that in a jovial way by the way! I have the utmost respect for your thoughts and postings 8-)

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The reason the sign is purple is that the magnet is permanent. On ESR you can have a yellow board with black cross, means the same thing but will be removed when the speed restriction is no longer in force.
 
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LowLevel said:
What you're actually seeing there is the reverse side of the bottom most one of these signs (or one of it's variants, wording changes depending on location I believe) affixed to an upright post as a standard end of platform fitting.
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That is a freaky optical illusion.

Drivers brain indeed. Although I failed the first rule of the railway. Assumption is the mother of all F... Cheers LowLevel.
 
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The sign is an ignore the AWS you've just cancelled indicator. The line isn't bi-di. The reason it's there is that there was a trial on the line between Barnsley and Meadowhall during leaf fall season. If a driver experienced low adhesion he would contact Barnsley box who would then arrange for the low adhesion sign to be revealed below. The line was split into station by station sections in an attempt to speed up train running on what could be a bad day or not. The trial only lasted a year and is no longer used.
 
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