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DarloRich · 16 Jul 2019

Howardh said:
Sky and the ECB get together and show all international games on Sky and a dedicated ECB pay-to-view channel/app and the ECB version a lot cheaper, also the ECB are big enough to have their own dedicated freeview/freesat slot where they could show the games in full to everyone, and simply have ads after every over to pull in the income.
On the other hand Channel 4 should have a look and say - look how many watched on Sunday; why not bid again? And if it's smaller than Sky's offer but enough then the ECB should take it.

that is fantasy world stuff. It wont happen. There is no way a commercial body is going to accept a bid for LESS than the value of the rights. There is no way Sky are going to bid lots of money then allow their commercial partner to sell the games via their own platform for LESS than they bid. It just isnt realistic.

The best bet is that either channel 4 ( or 5 or AN Other) decide they want the rights for live matches and pay for them. That might be possible if the next contracts are sold on a lot by lot basis rather than as a whole. But lets be honest the rights wanted will be for the 20/20 and the England home test match games but only if we play someone good. No one wants county matches or test matches against the smaller nations.

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Pakenhamtrain · 16 Jul 2019

158756 said:
What in particular attracts women and children to a 100-ball game that T20 doesn't have - is shaving another 25 minutes off the match duration going to make a huge difference if cutting the game in half for T20 didn't? 8 teams will presumably be each of a higher standard than 18 counties, but the perennial problem of England contracted players being unavailable for most of the summer will still exist, and fewer people will have the opportunity to watch a match in person. City based T20 competitions are already successful in India, Australia etc. Copious amounts of alcohol will still be consumed in the stands - certain grounds are quite happy to promote this, and obtaining any form of refreshments usually means going to the bar.

Down here our games start around 7.15-7.40 with the occaional game around 6.10 to fit in a double header with Perth and end around 10-10.30. It's not exactly out of hours given others sports (AFL, A-League) all start around the same time and finish at the same time.

DarloRich said:
But it DID need a new format as all existing competitions are under a broadcast contract and the ECB wanted, rightly in my view, to have free to air tv coverage. 20/20 has been a success for the teams involved especially filling otherwise empty grounds and shifting loads of beers. However the ECB say that the rowdy and if we are honest often drunk atmosphere is putting off the people they want to attract.

What strength of beer do they serve? At our grounds the public seating areas you can only have mid strength in a plastic cup.
At the MCG the only full strength for cricket is corporate, AFL members bar(international games only) or the MCC and they can only have it in thier bars and not at the seats.

DarloRich said:
The ECB also feel that our domestic 20/20 game slacks the razzmatazz off the IPL with it's player auctions and celebrity franchise owners. They feel, perhaps rightly, that despite our 20/20 game being pretty good it simply does not generate media coverage beyond Sky and is just a repetition of the tired county structure. This new structure allows the best players to appear from someone other than their contracted county and allows many more of the great world players to appear than the current county rules allow. Hopefully this will create exciting games and a good spectacle with recognisable "names" seen.

All the BBL franchises here are owned by Cricket Australia. The best thing they did for the BBL was let free to air station Channel 10 get the rights for it. It grew it massively. The end result was the the Melbourne derby attracting 80,883 in 2016.
This was people getting in:
https://twitter.com/robertkufersin/status/683180485229449217
The MCG learned quickly thier new security measures were a stuff up. By the AFL season that fence went.
So secure that fence was people resorted to jumping it.

DarloRich · 16 Jul 2019

Pakenhamtrain said:
What strength of beer do they serve? At our grounds the public seating areas you can only have mid strength in a plastic cup.
At the MCG the only full strength for cricket is corporate, AFL members bar(international games only) or the MCC and they can only have it in thier bars and not at the seats.

it is going to be standard cooking lager so 4 or 5% and a cooking bitter at 4.5%. What is at Aussie grounds?

Pakenhamtrain said:
All the BBL franchises here are owned by Cricket Australia. The best thing they did for the BBL was let free to air station Channel 10 get the rights for it. It grew it massively

I am sure they own all the franchises for this 100 thing, however I think it is an aspiration of the ECB to get inward investment to these franchises in due course. I agree entirely that free to air is what is needed. The 2005 ashes series was incredible in part because those tight tests were live on channel 4. People were stopping work to watch it. I remember watching the end of one of the tests in our boardroom.

ainsworth74 · 16 Jul 2019

Perhaps Durham just don't attract enough people for it to be an issue at their ground but I've never noticed drunks being a particular problem at the T20 games I've attended over the years so I'm not sure I buy the whole anti-social drinking issue. Though perhaps it's more of a problem at some of the clubs that get capacity or near capacity crowds for T20?

158756 · 16 Jul 2019

DarloRich said:
But it DID need a new format as all existing competitions are under a broadcast contract and the ECB wanted, rightly in my view, to have free to air tv coverage.

They needed a new competition for that, but when the BBC coverage was announced back in 2017 it was going to be a new T20 competition:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/40455556
This thread has been enlivened by England winning the World Cup. Just a few years ago the 40 over competition was supposedly a factor in England's poor performance in the 50 over World Cup. As it's turned out perhaps that was correct. But now we're going to prepare for the T20 World Cup by playing a game that isn't T20?

The ECB also say that the county identity puts off people. They find it stuffy, boring, old fashioned and not reflective of the modern world. They say people find it hard to develop an affinity with a county name that doesn't really exist in the real world and may not reflect where they live. Look at Durham. For instance, Newcastle or Gateshead or Sunderland aren't part of County Durham. Darlington isnt part of County Durham anymore. Middlesborugh isnt part of Yorkshire OR Durham. However the local team is Durham ( perhaps Yorkshire if you live in Boro). How is that reflective of the real world?
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The North East certainly won't feel any connection to any team in the Hundred, because their 'local' team will be Leeds.

If they did have a team, what name would be more popular than Durham? - no one's heard of Chester-le-Street, Sunderland wouldn't follow Newcastle etc.

DarloRich · 16 Jul 2019

158756 said:
They needed a new competition for that, but when the BBC coverage was announced back in 2017 it was going to be a new T20 competition:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/40455556
This thread has been enlivened by England winning the World Cup. Just a few years ago the 40 over competition was supposedly a factor in England's poor performance in the 50 over World Cup. As it's turned out perhaps that was correct. But now we're going to prepare for the T20 World Cup by playing a game that isn't T20?

I think we will still be playing plenty of 20/20 seeing as the Natwest Blast is still going to be played and I suspect players will appear in both.

158756 said:
The North East certainly won't feel any connection to any team in the Hundred, because their 'local' team will be Leeds.

If they did have a team, what name would be more popular than Durham? - no one's heard of Chester-le-Street, Sunderland wouldn't follow Newcastle etc.

We haven't got a team in the north east I suspect because we don't have a city based ground same as the likes of Essex or Somerset. I can certainly think of a name most Durham fans would like!

DarloRich · 16 Jul 2019

ainsworth74 said:
Perhaps Durham just don't attract enough people for it to be an issue at their ground but I've never noticed drunks being a particular problem at the T20 games I've attended over the years so I'm not sure I buy the whole anti-social drinking issue. Though perhaps it's more of a problem at some of the clubs that get capacity or near capacity crowds for T20?

I have been at some fairly rowdy games and that was just in the corporate boxes

Bald Rick · 16 Jul 2019

ainsworth74 said:
Perhaps Durham just don't attract enough people for it to be an issue at their ground but I've never noticed drunks being a particular problem at the T20 games I've attended over the years so I'm not sure I buy the whole anti-social drinking issue. Though perhaps it's more of a problem at some of the clubs that get capacity or near capacity crowds for T20?

In my experience, it’s because the good folk of the North East can hold their ale better!

Although if they contiune to serve up that BIRA 91 blonde beer as at the World Cup games (3.3%), you can drink all day without any undue difficulties.

Busaholic · 17 Jul 2019

Bald Rick said:
Although if they contiune to serve up that BIRA 91 blonde beer as at the World Cup games (3.3%), you can drink all day without any undue difficulties.

You'll need extra WCs, though.

Pakenhamtrain · 18 Jul 2019

DarloRich said:
it is going to be standard cooking lager so 4 or 5% and a cooking bitter at 4.5%. What is at Aussie grounds?

At the G for the Cricket they have Carlton Mid which is 3% with the premium beer(I.e the more expensive one) being Great Northern at 3.5%.
For comparison during the footy season during day games(And in the inside bars at night) they have Carlton Draught which is 4.6%. I can buy a Crown Larger which is 4.9%. Can't do any of that in cricket season.
They do have premix spirits that are all around the 4.0 to 5 mark which cost a good 10 bucks a pop.

I am sure they own all the franchises for this 100 thing, however I think it is an aspiration of the ECB to get inward investment to these franchises in due course. I agree entirely that free to air is what is needed. The 2005 ashes series was incredible in part because those tight tests were live on channel 4. People were stopping work to watch it. I remember watching the end of one of the tests in our boardroom.

I think that series down here was on SBS of all places. The Ashes are on the Anti Siphoning list so by law it has to be on Free to air down here. Until recently the FA cup final was on that list.

There was a bit of a worry CA were chasing the money under the new TV deal with 7 and FOX Sports.
Now none of the ODIs or T20Is are on Free to air and a few BBL games are now FOX Cricket exclusive.

Bald Rick · 18 Jul 2019

Pakenhamtrain said:
At the G for the Cricket they have Carlton Mid which is 3% with the premium beer(I.e the more expensive one) being Great Northern at 3.5%.
For comparison during the footy season during day games(And in the inside bars at night) they have Carlton Draught which is 4.6%. I can buy a Crown Larger which is 4.9%. Can't do any of that in cricket season.
They do have premix spirits that are all around the 4.0 to 5 mark which cost a good 10 bucks a pop.

Jeez things have changed at the G! Do they still limit it to 4 beers per transaction?

Pakenhamtrain · 19 Jul 2019

Bald Rick said:
Jeez things have changed at the G! Do they still limit it to 4 beers per transaction?

Yes.

Although it's stupid the bars up behind the seating limit it. Yet where I sit in the AFL members the bar it's open slather. I saw some bloke in front of me one day order 150 dollars worth of booze!

Darandio · 24 Jul 2019

Normal test service resumes for England, 42-6 against Ireland.

DarloRich · 24 Jul 2019

43-7 now. Murtagh 5-11

Total embarrassment.

DarloRich · 24 Jul 2019

67-9

Imagine this lot against Starc and Cummins with the Dukes ball. Parp.

Pakenhamtrain · 24 Jul 2019

That is one massive world cup hangover.

Geezertronic · 24 Jul 2019

All out for 85, against Ireland. What on earth....

Esker-pades · 24 Jul 2019

Well, this is all absolutely marvellous.

Xenophon PCDGS · 24 Jul 2019

Murtagh has had an excellent morning with the ball .... 9 - 2 - 13 - 5

3rd rail land · 24 Jul 2019

I didn't know it was actually possibly to score that few a number of runs against Ireland. You really do learn something new everyday!

If 85 is all they can manage against Ireland I doubt they will score more than 50 in an innings against Australia.

ainsworth74 · 24 Jul 2019

I'm supposed to be going to day three at Headingly against Australia. I'm getting a bit nervous about the chance of their being a day three now!!

3rd rail land · 24 Jul 2019

ainsworth74 said:
I'm supposed to be going to day three at Headingly against Australia. I'm getting a bit nervous about the chance of their being a day three now!!

At least you'd get a refund and can use the money to see a match that won't be entirely one sided.

Busaholic · 24 Jul 2019

Interesting that Joe Root chose to bat - if they'd been inserted, then it could have been asserted that atmospheric conditions were conducive to bowling first. Tim Murtagh, no stranger to Lord's, well deserved his chance of test cricket, and hasn't wasted the opportunity. Second highest scorer Olly Stone at no 10 on his test debut - that wasn't in the script!

Meanwhile, down at Rose Bowl, the Aussies' two best batting sides(minus the injured Khawaja) are each having to compete with their two best bowling sides in a 4 day game (theoretically!) and haven't been much more successful than England. Pattinson, Siddle and Cummins, on the other hand! Incidentally, Starc wicketless and expensive. Cricket = the great leveller.

Geezertronic · 24 Jul 2019

ainsworth74 said:
I'm supposed to be going to day three at Headingly against Australia. I'm getting a bit nervous about the chance of their being a day three now!!

I wouldn't worry about it. England are sandbagging to lull the Aussies into a false sense of how bad we are...... I wish

DarloRich · 24 Jul 2019

Minnows England are fighting back against the cricketing giants Ireland by reducing them to 42-2. If they can get Ireland out for less than 150 there is a chance of an unlikely victory.

3rd rail land · 24 Jul 2019

DarloRich said:
Minnows England are fighting back against the cricketing giants Ireland by reducing them to 42-2. If they can get Ireland out for less than 150 there is a chance of an unlikely victory.

Minnows England :lol:

Xenophon PCDGS · 24 Jul 2019

Ireland 139-5 after 37.4 overs.

Macwomble · 24 Jul 2019

20 wickets in a day.........Hmmmmm.

Xenophon PCDGS · 24 Jul 2019

Macwomble said:
20 wickets in a day.........Hmmmmm.

Is an examination of the prepared wicket likely?

Busaholic · 24 Jul 2019

Jack Leach gets to bat twice in a day for England on day one of a test against Ireland, presumably on the basis they didn't get him out first time round. If you hear somebody made a million on a cricket bet today, look no further....

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