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If all of the supermarket chains in the UK except for Aldi and Lidl disappeared, would you care?

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You'll find it's remarkably variable who Sainsburys offer these vouchers to. I first noted when I got my own Nectar card that I never seemed to get any decent offers on vouchers, whereas my wife did on hers. As an experiment, I got her to use my card for a while and she immediately noticed the difference: in consequence, I always ask to borrow hers now when I go shopping. If I forget and use my own, I rarely get any vouchers at all, whereas Tesco, whom I use a lot less, are always sending me £6 off when you spend £40 vouchers, worth a lot more than even quadruple points on Nectar.

It's all based on prior shopping/habits etc. So you'd expect different offers for different people. That's the whole point of it. Your purchases are analysed by computer algorithms. Each store will decide what offers they want to give and to whom based on a mix of rewarding regular purchases, i.e. a money off coupon for things you already buy, or a general money off coupon for anything, as opposed to encouragements, i.e. a coupon for something you never buy but which they may think you might.

I buy my petrol all over the place, my wife only ever buys from the Sainsbury garage. She's never ever had a "2p off per litre" voucher from Sainsbury, but I get them every couple of months. They already know my wife gets her petrol so there's no need to incentivise her. They know I don't, so it's in their interests to give me a "nudge" to buy from them in the hope I become a regular at their petrol station.

Neither of us have pets so we never buy any pet food etc., so, no surprise that we never get any coupons for pet related products.

Of course, some store chains are more refined than others and there are still some who don't seem to "tailor" their coupons on spending habits - some continue to base them on amounts spent instead.
 
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But both Aldi and Lidl still shut on Boxing Day AND New Year's Day. May that continue a long long time into the future. And I agree with the majority here; fine but not everything I need is covered so I do have to make forays to Tesco and Asda (equally close to me) on occasions. M&S is fine for the odd payday treat :lol:
 

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That's a good point. Maybe the unions don't feel they can challenge the Scottish government as easily as the English/Welsh governments, or that it's harder to change laws than it is to prevent changes to laws.

I found a page on the Usdaw website with all the information on their campaign to 'Keep Sunday Special', as they put it (and I was right about how long ago I saw it, as most of the info on the page is from 2016):

https://www.usdaw.org.uk/Campaigns/Keep-Sunday-Special
In the good old days of independent traders they presumably set their own opening hours and by default Sunday was usually a closed day for all sorts of reasons as was 1/2 day closing and short hours on Saturdays. The growth of the chains in the 50's resulted in the Shops Act (or some such name) which sought to keep Sunday special as the chains presumably wanted to maximise sales opportunity as they had staff to run the store, not just the owner. That Act applied to England and Wales only didn't it, not sure why Scotland was not included. So Sunday restrictions never applied to Scotland and in the most amazing piece of hypocrisy, the SNP used their votes to defeat the Govts attempt to amend the Sunday trading laws a few years ago.
 

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Yes those vouchers you mention from Tesco are handy, and I get them in the post regularly. However I rarely do a shop even half that value in one go, so they get wasted.

I find when I haven't been to Sainsburys in a while is when I start get the more interesting vouchers printed at the self-scan checkouts (never really do big shops so queuing at a till is not ideal for me) in terms of value. Of course, once I start using them then the good ones go again. Give it a good few weeks and they return again!

Mind you, the other thing Sainsburys do well, aside from most of their Be Good To Yourself range, is their Taste The Difference Vivaldi baking potatoes. Gorgeously tasty and, as advertised, there's no need for butter in the filling which suits me even more! Oh, and I can get 6-apple packs of gala apples for £1 currently but, importantly, they're a decent size. Not the case in the other supermarkets when I go in, the tiny apples most shops sell are no good to me!

As they saw the sense to give me another £1.50 off when spending £10 or more voucher the other day, it will surprise no-one I'll be in there again on Friday! Even if said shop ends up consisting of multiple packets of potatoes, apples and frozen chips! :lol:
I think you're right - if Sainsbury's miss your presence they'll offer more (though still pathetic percentage wise.) Agree with you on Vivaldi potatoes, in fact I've got a couple in the oven right now.
 

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It's all based on prior shopping/habits etc. So you'd expect different offers for different people. That's the whole point of it. Your purchases are analysed by computer algorithms. Each store will decide what offers they want to give and to whom based on a mix of rewarding regular purchases, i.e. a money off coupon for things you already buy, or a general money off coupon for anything, as opposed to encouragements, i.e. a coupon for something you never buy but which they may think you might.

I buy my petrol all over the place, my wife only ever buys from the Sainsbury garage. She's never ever had a "2p off per litre" voucher from Sainsbury, but I get them every couple of months. They already know my wife gets her petrol so there's no need to incentivise her. They know I don't, so it's in their interests to give me a "nudge" to buy from them in the hope I become a regular at their petrol station.

Neither of us have pets so we never buy any pet food etc., so, no surprise that we never get any coupons for pet related products.

Of course, some store chains are more refined than others and there are still some who don't seem to "tailor" their coupons on spending habits - some continue to base them on amounts spent instead.
I think there's more to it than that, because my wife's shopping habits are basically the same as mine (plus a few women's magazines in her case on occasion, and minus alcohol these days, but you never get vouchers on that anyway). I think there's sexism involved, but they'd deny it. Used to be a lot better when Sainsbury's ran their own scheme i.e. Rewards, with IMMEDIATE money off certain items at the till for ALL Rewards holders.
 

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If all of the supermarket chains in the UK except for Aldi and Lidl disappeared, would you care?
I’d care very much. I don’t have a car and find the only reasonable way to shop these days is to use an online supermarket. There’s a relentless appetite to move supermarkets to out of town “car friendly” locations, including both Lidl and Aldi. Neither of these offer a delivery service which means I won’t be using them. I have been to them in the past when with a friend who drives and to be honest I couldn’t believe the c*** they piled in the “middle of Lidl”. I did buy some well known brands of beer which were cheaper than Tesco but the 2 buses it takes to get there isn’t worth the hassle! Awful places!
 
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Used to be a lot better when Sainsbury's ran their own scheme i.e. Rewards, with IMMEDIATE money off certain items at the till for ALL Rewards holders.
It really did. Hiving off all the data and cutting the benefits/targeting them at disloyal customers is no way at all to run a "loyalty" scheme, and has been horribly counterproductive for people like me. They would literally have been better off just outright killing it off for me. Other people are of a different mind however.
 

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I think there's more to it than that, because my wife's shopping habits are basically the same as mine (plus a few women's magazines in her case on occasion, and minus alcohol these days, but you never get vouchers on that anyway). I think there's sexism involved, but they'd deny it. Used to be a lot better when Sainsbury's ran their own scheme i.e. Rewards, with IMMEDIATE money off certain items at the till for ALL Rewards holders.

Nectar is actually built on the Sainsbury's Rewards system which is why you can spend the points directly at the till provided your account has synced with that store by having spent there recently (it's quite an old system and isn't 100% online).
 

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It really did. Hiving off all the data and cutting the benefits/targeting them at disloyal customers is no way at all to run a "loyalty" scheme, and has been horribly counterproductive for people like me. They would literally have been better off just outright killing it off for me. Other people are of a different mind however.
Yes, and they still offered vouchers too for a reasonably big spend: as much as £20 off if you spent £90 for instance, very tempting at Christmas.
 

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There’s a relentless appetite to move supermarkets to out of town “car friendly” locations

But at the same time, there are also new local smaller supermarkets opening up. In our village, we have a big Tesco 3 miles away and Asda/Morrisons/Sainsbury/Lidl/Aldi/Booths in the nearby town 5 miles away, but a "local" Co-Op is being built in the village which will actually be really good for the local residents as they won't have to travel to town for shopping - at the moment we only have an expensive Spar with very limited range. In the next village, there was a run down petrol station which just sold milk and bread but last year that converted to a Spar. Across the other side of town, there's another smaller town which now has two small local Co Op stores, both opened within the last 3/4 years and doing very well by all accounts. As the big supermarkets are moving out of towns to retail and shopping parks, there are new smaller stores opening up in their wake. It's a kind of return to the local shopping we all had before the town centre supermarkets put them all out of business.
 

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As the big supermarkets are moving out of towns to retail and shopping parks, there are new smaller stores opening up in their wake. It's a kind of return to the local shopping we all had before the town centre supermarkets put them all out of business.

This is very true. I have within 10 minutes or so walking distance (and I'm just in typical suburbia) 2 Co-ops, a Tesco Express, a One Stop and a fairly rubbish generic local shop. 15 years ago all you'd have is the latter. That's enough, with a slightly limited but still healthy diet, to live without ever visiting a full-sized out of town supermarket, and the prices aren't that much higher either.
 

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We have a Lidl that opened a couple of years ago in our town. I was sceptical at first but, after shopping there a few times, was actually very impressed with the layout of the store, the cleanliness and quality of some of the products. Mrs MonsooN and I soon learned what to buy and what to avoid (Lidl's own chicken soup is vile but they sell the branded varieties too so...) Their fresh fruit, veg and meats are all really good and they have a decent range of dairy and frozen stuff too.

We do most of our shopping there now and only visit the bigger supermarkets if there's something we need that Lidl either doesn't stock or doesn't do very well.
 

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As a matter of interest have any Aldi or Lidl stores actually flopped ? - ie opened up then closed due to poor trading.
 

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As a matter of interest have any Aldi or Lidl stores actually flopped ? - ie opened up then closed due to poor trading.

Yes, the Aldi at Bletchley bus station (previously a Kwik Save) barely lasted a year, if I recall correctly. The site has been derelict since it closed. Given that many Aldi customers will travel by bus (and the individual products lend themselves better to buying a few at a time than at multi-pack-driven Tesco) I'm not quite sure why it didn't work, but nonetheless it didn't.

Aldi have since opened up a larger store in the old B&Q premises opposite the big Tesco, a fair way from the bus station.
 

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As a matter of interest have any Aldi or Lidl stores actually flopped ? - ie opened up then closed due to poor trading.
and yes again, the one that was in Yeovil is now a Farmfoods and Majestic? wine, and it's easy to tell that it once was an Aldi as it was built to their old standard design (like the one in Weymouth). The big joke is that just up from this store at what once was a garage they are now building ANOTHER Aldi! Obviously they see that there is now a business case for one there, esp. as Yeovil now has two Lidl's
 

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As a matter of interest have any Aldi or Lidl stores actually flopped ? - ie opened up then closed due to poor trading.
Dunno, but at the other end of the scale the Waitrose in Dartford failed.
 

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Does anyone miss Kwiksave ?

Yes, I shopped there regularly. Rather than the aldi/lidl model of selling unknown brands, KwikSave just sold a relatively small range of top branded goods at discounted prices. Great for your Kelloggs and Heinz staples.
 

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Yes, I shopped there regularly. Rather than the aldi/lidl model of selling unknown brands, KwikSave just sold a relatively small range of top branded goods at discounted prices. Great for your Kelloggs and Heinz staples.

The Aldi/Lidl model is all "own brand" type stuff, they just make the brands up so people think they're better than they are. It markets better than "Aldi beans" etc.
 

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Yes I love the names they come up with for their counterfeit versions of well known brands! :lol:
I can picture someone's teenage son/daughter waking up one morning and complaining about the kitchen being 'broken' upon seeing these 'counterfeit' brands. :lol:
 

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I can picture someone's teenage son/daughter waking up one morning and complaining about the kitchen being 'broken' upon seeing these 'counterfeit' brands. :lol:
The "mainstream" supermarkets were just as bad when it came to packaging their own-brand products to look like branded products. I think it was Tesco that had a spat with the manufacturers of "I can't believe it's not butter" (since rebranded) because of how similar the packaging was (I think they branded it "Unbelievable"). With the "discounters", I think it was more an attempt to make their products look more attractive than the budget ranges of the big supermarkets (Savers, Basics, Value, Farm Stores etc.) which they were competing against.
 

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I live 5 minutes away from Lidl. I never shop there. Although I don't appreciate it now, I may well miss having a supermarket a stone's throw away from me in 10 years' time.

I'm just not a big foodie.
 

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I think it was Tesco that had a spat with the manufacturers of "I can't believe it's not butter" (since rebranded) because of how similar the packaging was (I think they branded it "Unbelievable").

Ha ha! I laughed yesterday when I returned with my shopping from Morrisons. I didn't read the name properly.... Doh!

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