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Party Conferences(silly season) promises so far on transport issues

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GRALISTAIR

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This thread is really to summarize ideally just in note format, what everyone has said so far on Transport.

Liberal Democrat - I am unsure

Labour -
1) nationalize in a compressed time frame
2) Definitely electrify the MML

Conservative (a few days off yet)

Scottish Nationalist?

Green
Cancel HS2
 
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there will be very few announcements. Transport is completely unimportant, especially with Brexit dominating all!
 

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No, they are simply going to tax "the rich".............

Who are
a) in fact, so relatively few in number that the sums raised won't make that much of a difference to the millions of non-rich who get a share in whatever form
(current example: CEO of Thomas Cook, 8 million "salary". Take it off him and give it to the 9000 hapless ex-employees in equal shares. Each gets less than £1000 - will barely buy a new iPhone).
b) likely to decide to emigrate to a lower tax economy. Some already have.
(build a wall to keep them in? That has been tried........)

..... and the large corporations

Who will simply move their HQ and/or tax base to somewhere more competitive.

Net outcome - ultimately the less wealthy end up footing the bill for the expenditures, living standards fall as do tax revenues and we end up with "austerity".
 

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No, they are simply going to tax "the rich".............

Who are
a) in fact, so relatively few in number that the sums raised won't make that much of a difference to the millions of non-rich who get a share in whatever form
(current example: CEO of Thomas Cook, 8 million "salary". Take it off him and give it to the 9000 hapless ex-employees in equal shares. Each gets less than £1000 - will barely buy a new iPhone).
b) likely to decide to emigrate to a lower tax economy. Some already have.
(build a wall to keep them in? That has been tried........)

..... and the large corporations

Who will simply move their HQ and/or tax base to somewhere more competitive.

Net outcome - ultimately the less wealthy end up footing the bill for the expenditures, living standards fall as do tax revenues and we end up with "austerity".

And then they will blame Brexit :D
 

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Why do the Greens want HS2 to be canceled? It's not like the trains will run on diesel or jet fuel...

That is a very good question. The Green party in the UK must be the only green party in Europe that is against high speed rail.
 

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(current example: CEO of Thomas Cook, 8 million "salary". Take it off him and give it to the 9000 hapless ex-employees in equal shares. Each gets less than £1000 - will barely buy a new iPhone).

I’m not disagreeing with your argument, but a point of order here.

The CEO of Thomas Cook had a salary of £732k. Not to be sniffed at, obviously, but split that between the staff and it’s worth about £80 each.

The £8m quoted was his total remuneration since 2015, including company pension contributions, bonuses, etc. And one of those bonuses (several years ago) was a whopper, which is why it’s a total of £8m over the 4 years.
 

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Labour seem to have found a forest full of magic money trees for most of what I heard...

Yes. They've probably found that the Bank of England can actually print money, which the Tories haven't worked out yet even after 10 years in office although they did seem to remember briefly when they wanted to bribe the DUP.

Of course, it might be that this makes pounds less valuable since there are more of them, but there has been nothing that has reduced the value of the pound as much as the prospect of Brexit has.

Please try to remember that the Gold Standard is long gone and that a country's finances aren't run in the same way as a personal current account ; people generally can't legally print money.

Before the Age of Arbitrage, there used to be a saying that you have to speculate to accumulate.
 

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That is a very good question. The Green party in the UK must be the only green party in Europe that is against high speed rail.

The Greens have claimed to be in favour of high speed rail in principle, but against the HS2 scheme as it stands. Though their alternative for using the money is local projects so doesn’t explain what a high speed line they would agree with would look like.
 

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I prefer "you cant cut your way to prosperity". Constantly cutting spend aka austerity, does not work in the long run.

Neither does tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend, err oh the tax as gone down but still spend anyway like Corbo and his band of merry men are proposing.
 

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Thing is, Austerity breaks the flow of the economy as the populace are less willing to spend or lose power to do so.
Investment is important to get the economy flowing, but it needs to be done in such a way that there are returns in the future, even if the returns come from elsewhere in the economy (investment in a railway may give returns from increased industrial productivity and commerce, and not necessarily from sales of rail tickets).

Tax is fundamental because that's where the state gets its money. No tax, no treasury. Unless the state becomes the economy itself/the economy becomes the state itself.
From my experience Right Wing politics fails to look at the big picture, cutting spending on fundamental infrastructure and services, eventually crippling the economy. Left Wing politics fails to do spending strategically, doing so for "the will of the people", being specially prone to white elephants built under debt that may not be payable, eventually throwing the country into bankruptcy.

In just 25 years of life I've seen the two aspects in action. And the railways were the main victim of these swings of political incompetence.
 

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Looks like since there is no Conservative Party Conference the season is over. However, I would still argue we are in silly season!!

My understanding is there’s still a conference, but no recess so Conservative MPs will have to shuttle back and forth and hope nobody tries to pull a fast one in the House.
 

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My understanding is there’s still a conference, but no recess so Conservative MPs will have to shuttle back and forth and hope nobody tries to pull a fast one in the House.

There are rumours of a vote of no confidence on Wednesday, which is when Boris Johnson is supposed to be giving his speech.

So the speech will have to be timed so that Conservative MPs can get on the train back to London in time for the vote.

Now if there were to be a signal failure or overhead line problems at Crewe on Wednesday, delaying all trains from Manchester to London....... <D
 

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There are rumours of a vote of no confidence on Wednesday, which is when Boris Johnson is supposed to be giving his speech.

So the speech will have to be timed so that Conservative MPs can get on the train back to London in time for the vote.

Now if there were to be a signal failure or overhead line problems at Crewe on Wednesday, delaying all trains from Manchester to London....... <D

Given the weather forecast for Wednesday is one which is dry with gentle winds in Manchester (the winds are a bit stronger in London) it would be it shouldn't be of too much concern.
 

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it seems the Tory transport pledges are mainly about roads. I, for one, wont complain if they actually fund the completion of the A66 to dual carriageway status.
 

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it seems the Tory transport pledges are mainly about roads. I, for one, wont complain if they actually fund the completion of the A66 to dual carriageway status.

Despite being in favour of rail investment, the Bletchley Southern Bypass is massively needed and I hope that is included. The A421 through MK is getting awful - I bet they regret not including an east-west expressway like the north-south A5D[1] in the original MK plan and so having to shove it round the side.

[1] D = diversionary, I believe, not part of the official designation - locally the dual carriageway gets known as the A5D and the Watling St often as the "old A5" - to distinguish them.
 

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Despite being in favour of rail investment, the Bletchley Southern Bypass is massively needed and I hope that is included. The A421 through MK is getting awful - I bet they regret not including an east-west expressway like the north-south A5D[1] in the original MK plan and so having to shove it round the side.

Is the that the plan to link the A421 & A4146 through Newton Lees/Newton Longville? It needs doing if only to service the new housing planned in the area. It would also take a lot of traffic the Oxford/M40 > M1 traffic out of MK and Bletchley by offering a better route through to the M1 at junction 14

Shall I stand in the pyre now or would posters here prefer top throw me on ;)
 

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There are rumours of a vote of no confidence on Wednesday, which is when Boris Johnson is supposed to be giving his speech.

So the speech will have to be timed so that Conservative MPs can get on the train back to London in time for the vote.

Now if there were to be a signal failure or overhead line problems at Crewe on Wednesday, delaying all trains from Manchester to London....... <D

I like your thinking....

"Ladies and Gentleman, we are sorry for the delay to your service from Manchester to London this afternoon. This is due to unexpected signal failures, as a result of some of your bad policies on Brexit. We should be underway just after the vote of no confidence, thank you for your patience....." <D<D<D
 

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Is the that the plan to link the A421 & A4146 through Newton Lees/Newton Longville? It needs doing if only to service the new housing planned in the area. It would also take a lot of traffic the Oxford/M40 > M1 traffic out of MK and Bletchley by offering a better route through to the M1 at junction 14

Blast it through to J13 with a parallel new East-West rail route that gets rid of the level crossings.....
 

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Is the that the plan to link the A421 & A4146 through Newton Lees/Newton Longville? It needs doing if only to service the new housing planned in the area. It would also take a lot of traffic the Oxford/M40 > M1 traffic out of MK and Bletchley by offering a better route through to the M1 at junction 14

Shall I stand in the pyre now or would posters here prefer top throw me on ;)

Yep, that. The A421/Standing Way through MK is getting awful in the peaks.
 
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