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A career as a signaller

Saracen_83

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Firstly, this is a fantastic resource and I'd like to thank everyone who helps out.

Yesterday I started an application for a grade 3 role at Liskeard and I'm currently in the process of completing the 70 question questionnaire. Is there anyone here who know if that box is an 8 or 12 hour box? Or can point me in the direction of somewhere where I can find that information myself?

As far as I'm aware, York, Basingstoke and Coventry are the locations of the schools, but with everything that's currently going on, travel to those sites is currently postponed. Does that mean training is now held locally (Plymouth for me) or that training is on hold for the foreseeable future?
Not 100% sure regarding the shift pattern but I’m sure they have/are changing to 12s as I remember a friend mentioning that but it was a while back!!

as for signalling school, you will be placed on the next available spot.... yes extra places/schools being set up, but you’ll be sent wherever the next place will be, weather that York or Plymouth!
Also travel to those sites not postponed.
 
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Thanks for that, will the successful applicants only be able to apply for positions within the mentioned areas or will they have access to all grade 2 vacancies country wide ?

On the North&East one the positions we apply for must be within 75 miles of our nominal location. They don’t have to be grade 2 roles though, that’s just the initial salary until we secure our long term role.
 

olilee2

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In interviews is there much in the way of small talk (eg tell us about yourself and your career so far/why do you want to be a signaller?) type generic questions to start with or do they just go straight into the safety vision/NTS stuff?
 

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In interviews is there much in the way of small talk (eg tell us about yourself and your career so far/why do you want to be a signaller?) type generic questions to start with or do they just go straight into the safety vision/NTS stuff?
There are 2 overview questions before the competency based questions. Of course there will be a bit of an introduction before the questions start.
 

Kraken

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And are they all scored in with the rest?

In fairness this is the easiest bit of the whole interview, it’s just talking about yourself, maybe why you want to be a signaller or why you are leaving your current job etc. I found them quite a nice way to settle into the interview and maybe establish a rapport with your interviewers. I think it’s a better idea just to have thought about these questions but devote most of your prep time to the NTS.
 

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I was asked why I wanted to join the railway tried to go to sell it as much as I could dropped in some info I had picked up from the website e.g. upcoming projects on the railway and the potential opportunities to grow within the business!
 

olilee2

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Just out of interest (I know they aren’t allowed to discriminate based on age etc) but what’s the youngest signaller everyone’s come across?
 

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Just out of interest (I know they aren’t allowed to discriminate based on age etc) but what’s the youngest signaller everyone’s come across?
I had an interview and I would say im reasonably young (22) there was some questions in regards to drinking habits etc (not a big drinker) obviously the drink limit on the railway is half the drink drive limit and I suppose the stigma with young people is we like to party!
 

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That gives me some confidence I’m 19. Just the worry that (understandably) any interviewer for a job like this would equate my age with lack of experience or immaturity and so on

One of my staff is 20. He had an outstanding interview but had only had a part time retail job before.
 

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Just out of interest (I know they aren’t allowed to discriminate based on age etc) but what’s the youngest signaller everyone’s come across?

I started at the grand old age of 18, way back in the late 80s under British Rail and I still enjoy being in the grade :D
 

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Has anyone gone from box to roc and regretted it?
I went from a crossing keeper at old signal box to a roc. While I don't necessarily regret the move, I soon discovered being in a roc was not for me for various reasons. Some people love the roc environment and others hate it. Its really a personal opinion.
Being there did give me a wealth of experience and I dealt with things that boxes can only dream of!
I took a £11k+ pay cut to move back to a box which is certainly a move I do not regret in the slightest.
 

nom de guerre

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Has anyone gone from box to roc and regretted it?


Yes. Didn’t mind the work itself (although babysitting ARS could be tedious) and liked VDU workstations but there were several aggravating factors.

Due to a tortuous saga that I won’t explain here, all 36-odd signallers did exactly the same job but half were paid a grade more. To add to that, my team was also the shortest-staffed throughout my time there - we calculated that we were working a couple of extra weeks each year simply due to receiving fewer and shorter breaks on day turns. That, plus the grading difference, meant that myself and two others were effectively the lowest-paid signallers on the roster. On top of that, one teammate was a pretty unpleasant character and our SSM was also the laziest in the building - other teams’ Shifties would help with admin and give extra breaks, but despite my team’s staffing situation, ours did eff all. They also didn’t seem to fully understand certain parts of axle counter rules and regs, which led to a few completely unnecessary bust-ups. As you can imagine, all this started to grate after a while...

After three consecutive LOMs had each promised, then failed, to rectify the grade and staffing imbalances, I’d had enough and started looking elsewhere. Now working single-manned again and it’s better in almost every way - the only slight downside is a longer commute, but it’s a much nicer package overall.

Don’t let that put you off ROCs, though. Most of the grief I’ve mentioned was (I hope!) specific to that location and team. I’d like to think the majority are better - just do your research before any potential move. I was displaced in so didn’t get much choice.
 

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Anyone who applied for the Liverpool St position still have it on their list of applications? It’s disappeared from mine ?
Hi, assuming it's the IRC2180583 one, then it is still on my list of applications. No status update since 27th June.
 

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Hi, assuming it's the IRC2180583 one, then it is still on my list of applications. No status update since 27th June.

thanks for your reply. It’s come back on my list now! (Very strange) and mine still says test complete from the 13/7
 

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I went from a crossing keeper at old signal box to a roc. While I don't necessarily regret the move, I soon discovered being in a roc was not for me for various reasons. Some people love the roc environment and others hate it. Its really a personal opinion.
Being there did give me a wealth of experience and I dealt with things that boxes can only dream of!
I took a £11k+ pay cut to move back to a box which is certainly a move I do not regret in the slightest.
Yes. Didn’t mind the work itself (although babysitting ARS could be tedious) and liked VDU workstations but there were several aggravating factors.

Due to a tortuous saga that I won’t explain here, all 36-odd signallers did exactly the same job but half were paid a grade more. To add to that, my team was also the shortest-staffed throughout my time there - we calculated that we were working a couple of extra weeks each year simply due to receiving fewer and shorter breaks on day turns. That, plus the grading difference, meant that myself and two others were effectively the lowest-paid signallers on the roster. On top of that, one teammate was a pretty unpleasant character and our SSM was also the laziest in the building - other teams’ Shifties would help with admin and give extra breaks, but despite my team’s staffing situation, ours did eff all. They also didn’t seem to fully understand certain parts of axle counter rules and regs, which led to a few completely unnecessary bust-ups. As you can imagine, all this started to grate after a while...

After three consecutive LOMs had each promised, then failed, to rectify the grade and staffing imbalances, I’d had enough and started looking elsewhere. Now working single-manned again and it’s better in almost every way - the only slight downside is a longer commute, but it’s a much nicer package overall.

Don’t let that put you off ROCs, though. Most of the grief I’ve mentioned was (I hope!) specific to that location and team. I’d like to think the majority are better - just do your research before any potential move. I was displaced in so didn’t get much choice.

Thank you both.
I’m only week one at training school and am being encouraged to apply for a position at a roc. There are lots of things that greatly appeal about my future boxes, and a few things about the roc that appeal too. With zero experience in either, it’s hard to know which would be preferable!
 

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Thank you both.
I’m only week one at training school and am being encouraged to apply for a position at a roc. There are lots of things that greatly appeal about my future boxes, and a few things about the roc that appeal too. With zero experience in either, it’s hard to know which would be preferable!
Don't feel under pressure to be expected to apply for a ROC whilst you're still finding your feet. Fair enough there are some that will adapt to a busier working environment quicker than others, but equally there are those that don't really see the 'computer gaming' ROC as a job they want. I previously applied for EMCC, but deep down it wasn't something I'd personally be comfortable with long term; even the Area Manager acknowledged that fact.
 

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Don't feel under pressure to be expected to apply for a ROC whilst you're still finding your feet. Fair enough there are some that will adapt to a busier working environment quicker than others, but equally there are those that don't really see the 'computer gaming' ROC as a job they want. I previously applied for EMCC, but deep down it wasn't something I'd personally be comfortable with long term; even the Area Manager acknowledged that fact.
Thank you- wise words!
 

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Thank you both.
I’m only week one at training school and am being encouraged to apply for a position at a roc. There are lots of things that greatly appeal about my future boxes, and a few things about the roc that appeal too. With zero experience in either, it’s hard to know which would be preferable!

As High Dyke says, don’t feel pressured to do anything at this (or any!) stage.

ROCs aren’t going anywhere. Those opportunities will still be there in a year, or three years or...
 

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Thank you both.
I’m only week one at training school and am being encouraged to apply for a position at a roc. There are lots of things that greatly appeal about my future boxes, and a few things about the roc that appeal too. With zero experience in either, it’s hard to know which would be preferable!
Your LOM will be spending a lot of their budget training you as well as having to go through the long drawn out recruitment process before you started. If you do apply for another job and get it then he or she is straight back to square one again with nothing to show but a gap in the roster. I would think carefully before making a move not just because it is (in my biased opinion) a pretty dreadful thing to do to your LOM but also because, as you have seen from the replies above, the grass is not always greener elsewhere.. The ROCs are not going anywhere if you are worried about long term job security...

It really really annoys me that the trainers keep trying to tempt new starts off to the ROCs when they are just a matter of days or weeks on the railway. It is happening far too often now. Some people will say you do not owe your LOM any loyalty but ultimately they have given you a bite at the cherry so it is pretty poor to repay them by sodding off somewhere else before you have even passed out. This paragraph is a general remark and not aimed specifically at you by the way!
 
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Your LOM will be spending a lot of their budget training you as well as having to go through the long drawn out recruitment process before you started. If you do apply for another job and get it then he or she is straight back to square one again with nothing to show but a gap in the roster. I would think carefully before making a move not just because it is (in my biased opinion) a pretty dreadful thing to do to your LOM but also because, as you have seen from the replies above, the grass is not always greener elsewhere.. The ROCs are not going anywhere if you are worried about long term job security...

It really really annoys me that the trainers keep trying to temp new starts off to the ROCs when they are just a matter of days or weeks on the railway. It is happening far too often now. Some people will say you do not owe your LOM any loyalty but ultimately they have given you a bite at the cherry so it is pretty poor to repay them be sodding off somewhere else before you have even passed out. This paragraph is a general remark and not aimed specifically at you by the way!

While I broadly agree with your point. I think amando08 is part of the furture opportunities recruitment, in which case they will be being expected to apply for permanent roles. The LOM that has taken them on is just a formality in a way as I understand it.
 

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So, my interview went ahead as planned for one of roles at the WMSC. I hope I covered everything and I believe that I was able to provide good, solid examples on the 8 NTS.

I guess it's just a waiting game now whilst everything happens behind the scenes. It goes without saying that I will be keeping everything, including my toes, crossed.

The panel were fantastic and I was made to feel at ease from the moment I walked in. If I can give one you one piece of advice, it would be to just be yourself and enjoy the process.

:)
 

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While I broadly agree with your point. I think amando08 is part of the furture opportunities recruitment, in which case they will be being expected to apply for permanent roles. The LOM that has taken them on is just a formality in a way as I understand it.
Pretty sure it was the Oakham Relief job, not future opportunities
 

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