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Becoming a trainee train driver

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Hincappie

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Another vote here for practice, practice, practice. I bought a Bop-It, downloaded the Group Bourdon test to do on the computer (the test was done on paper) and bought a physics / mechanical comprehension type book. I passed the old tests, not the new ones that came in when everyone’s failed attempts were wiped out and yes, the Glop English comprehension test was the same one I did 20 years ago when I failed at the first attempt!
Ah, yeah. A mechanical type text book for pulleys, cogs, ratios etc would be a great idea. Didn't think of that.

The Bop It did serve me well. For what they cost its a great investment and my son already had a Star Wars R2-D2 one so I won on all fronts! :D
 
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For the TRP1 memory test, try to memorise the RSSB rule book... will stand you in good stead when doing your rules course!!!
Makes my head spin just thinking about it....o_O
Single-line pilotman working:'(!!!
 

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I used a printable version of the group bourdon test, printed a shed load of copies of different tests (so they weren't all the same) and did a load at least once every day for months. The practice test on here is great but on the actual day you will do it on paper so get used to doing it that way. I also bought a pack of DVD's from eBay which were something like How2Become a Train Driver, Richard McMunn made them I think. They had similar versions of all of the different tests for you to practice. I actually bought these, copied the discs onto my laptop then put them back on eBay the same day and sold them for more than I paid for them so they didn't cost me a penny and were invaluable to me. I bought books of Train Driver questions too and did a lot of on line research into MMi and how to give yourself the best chance you could have of passing.

My advice, any question or test books you buy, write your answers on scrap paper. Don't write in the actual book then you can sell it on when you're done with it. That way all of these expensive practice materials won't cost much at all.

Log onto the OPC website, practice materials on there too.

One of my kids has a 'Bop It' toy. Excellent for learning to react quickly to different tones and buzzers. I used it loads until I could beat it everytime.

Download brain training and memory testing apps on your phone. Use them. Cheap (often free) and effective and you can carry them everywhere so when you're sat on the bus, in a waiting room, on the loo, anywhere - more practice.

It is true that some people have what it takes and some don't but practicing something will soon help you find out. You will either improve or you will really struggle. No one buys their first guitar and joins a band the same day. Even the best, most naturally skilled guitar player that ever lived had to put thousands of hours of practice in. You won't need thousands of hours but still, practice and preparation are key to any skill. This is no different. Its the concentration that you will find you either have or you just can't seem to muster.

That's my take on it anyway.

Hope it helps. Keep me posted on how you get on and if you want this badly enough, don't quit. I didn't and it worked. :o)
This is really sound advice and hugely appreciated! As I said previously, I am only at application stage, I might not even get selected however, I will try and do all I can to practice. Just one more question. How do you find the job? Is it as rewarding as people say?
 

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For the TRP1 memory test, try to memorise the RSSB rule book... will stand you in good stead when doing your rules course!!!
Makes my head spin just thinking about it....o_O
Single-line pilotman working:'(!!!
What a great idea with the rssb rule book. Any idea where I can get it. I'm outside the industry and it seems only available yo employees. :(
 

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I was once told never to look at the rulebook, it can cloud things if you make it onto the train drivers course.
 

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What a great idea with the rssb rule book. Any idea where I can get it. I'm outside the industry and it seems only available yo employees. :(
Don’t read the rule book bud, is of no use to you at the moment or for the tests and won’t set you up well for the future when you don’t understand what your reading.
Best bet is to not get to eat up about the testing, your obviously worried about it and going over bored on the prep may wind you up more about it.
Get a bit of familiarisation about what’s to come, listen carefully on the day to the instructions and ask about anything your unsure of before the test starts even if you think it’s a silly question.
Best of luck, I’m sure you’ll be fine
 

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For the TRP1 memory test, try to memorise the RSSB rule book... will stand you in good stead when doing your rules course!!!
Makes my head spin just thinking about it....o_O
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Maybe not just yet!:D

This is really sound advice and hugely appreciated! As I said previously, I am only at application stage, I might not even get selected however, I will try and do all I can to practice. Just one more question. How do you find the job? Is it as rewarding as people say?
Yeah, so far, love it. It’s like any job, good days and bad but no regrets at all. I would definitely recommend it if you can get a foot in the door.
 

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Think you'll just be overloading your mind by learning a rule book for a memory test.

When I did my psychometrics I just used the material given before the assessments.

If I make it last my upcoming DMI and make it into a talent pool, I still won't be touching the rulebook.

I figure the assessors and trainers will be able to mould a person who hasn't touched the book. Plus I'm sure there may be stuff in it that a driver may not need to know.
 

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Think you'll just be overloading your mind by learning a rule book for a memory test.

When I did my psychometrics I just used the material given before the assessments.

If I make it last my upcoming DMI and make it into a talent pool, I still won't be touching the rulebook.

I figure the assessors and trainers will be able to mould a person who hasn't touched the book. Plus I'm sure there may be stuff in it that a driver may not need to know.
I don’t think trying to learn the names and codes of the modules in the drivers section would do any harm, at this point you wouldn’t have any idea what most of them meant anyway. Having said that, I do agree that I wouldn’t look inside and start trying to read any of it until asked to.
 

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Another vote for get as much practice in as possible. I was leant software and books plus I spent another 60 quid on other software. Dont forget about the MMI though and get lots of strong examples to use.
I figured if I got the job at the end of it then it would all have been worthwhile. I passed everything first time and I'm now a trainee driver.
 

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Just been doing some light prep for my upcoming DMI next week and I found a little video made by the RSSB for drivers. Some good parts inside that may be of use for others.

 

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Another vote for get as much practice in as possible. I was leant software and books plus I spent another 60 quid on other software. Dont forget about the MMI though and get lots of strong examples to use.
I figured if I got the job at the end of it then it would all have been worthwhile. I passed everything first time and I'm now a trainee driver.
May I ask about the MMI. Are the question generally phrased "tell us about a time" rather than "what do you do now" for example, "tell us about a time you have done a similar role to a trian driver" rather than, " what do you do that similar to a train driver" I ask becasue I have super strong examples from a while ago when I was in aviation, but past experience, current experience isn't so relevant or strong. Do they want recent examples?
 

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@CreamNCookies Nice one things are rolling for you again. DMI next week? I hope it goes well for you!
Yeah with LNER this one, so its an extra life so to say! Had my heart set on TPE, but lets be fair beggars cant be choosers :lol:

Been following everything with you on here too, hope the new born hasn't been keeping you up too much.
 

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No, no, no! There is absolutely no requirement for you to know about the rulebook at this stage. No disrespect but there is enough to do to pass assessments and you won’t understand it anyway. The training is structured so that everything is covered and falls into place!

Of course, you could mention at interview that you are aware there is a rulebook that is a bit like a Highway Code for drivers, guards, signallers and other staff but as a qualified driver even I can’t access the rulebook online.

Separate from the assessments, you MAY wish to have a Google of Non Technical Skills on which there is an emphasis for train drivers but again you would not be expected to know much about them at interview.
 

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@LCC106 has it bang on. Don’t learn the rule book. It is not a good idea. That is for after you get an offer. Knowing there is one and being able to talk about a similar scenario is more important. If you get to the DMI or MMI providing it’s one of the questions. It was for me and I used passing my driving test as an example.

I banged on about non technical skills in my interview and they loved it. Relating them to experiences in my life, both working and personal.

I believe a familiarisation of the tests will help for sure and there is no harm in practising! But focus on the assessments first. If they wanted you to learn the rule book or excerpts from it they would of asked.

I am a trainee driver for TPE and have passed the assessments twice lol. Nothing changed in between those two times.
 

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May I ask about the MMI. Are the question generally phrased "tell us about a time" rather than "what do you do now" for example, "tell us about a time you have done a similar role to a trian driver" rather than, " what do you do that similar to a train driver" I ask becasue I have super strong examples from a while ago when I was in aviation, but past experience, current experience isn't so relevant or strong. Do they want recent examples?
I used past and current examples. Just make sure you have at least 2 examples for each question as sometimes they don't like an example and you have to come up with something else.
 

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Even when you have an idea what you are on about the rule book can be very open to interpretation, I would advise heavily against trying to learn anything before a rules course!
 

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Hello again, sorry for the endless questions. I am trying to prepare for the MMI and what I am struggling with is that my answers are all generally very similar and one example covers an answer for multiple questions, questions such a, role similar to train driver, then, when concentrated for long period of time, then when following rules and procedures. If, say for example, you are a bus driver or lorry driver, which some of you were, you were doing these things, checks and concentration and alone every single day, yet they want you to give one specific example of a journey, it's no good saying I did this everyday, I did x y and z, they want a specific example, so did you guys not find you are basically restating the same thing each time, albeit a different day and a different journey? Thanks, hope that makes sense.
 

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I used past and current examples. Just make sure you have at least 2 examples for each question as sometimes they don't like an example and you have to come up with something else.
Had my MMI today and this wasn't my experience. The interviewer appeared dissatisfied with a couple of my answers but did not ask for alternatives at any point. Safe to say I think I failed which is gutting as I didn't find the assessments or DMI too challenging.
 

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IMO if you have given a good solid example but maybe missed just 1 "buzz word" they will try to draw it out with a question or ask for another example to hopefully get you to say the magic phrase they are looking for.
 

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Had my MMI today and this wasn't my experience. The interviewer appeared dissatisfied with a couple of my answers but did not ask for alternatives at any point. Safe to say I think I failed which is gutting as I didn't find the assessments or DMI too challenging.
From what I have read some don't come accros very pleased. Yet this people passed. Which examples were you not happy with may I ask?
 

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Hello again, sorry for the endless questions. I am trying to prepare for the MMI and what I am struggling with is that my answers are all generally very similar and one example covers an answer for multiple questions, questions such a, role similar to train driver, then, when concentrated for long period of time, then when following rules and procedures. If, say for example, you are a bus driver or lorry driver, which some of you were, you were doing these things, checks and concentration and alone every single day, yet they want you to give one specific example of a journey, it's no good saying I did this everyday, I did x y and z, they want a specific example, so did you guys not find you are basically restating the same thing each time, albeit a different day and a different journey? Thanks, hope that makes sense.
There’s nothing to say you can’t use the same example more than once, but I’d certainly advise you try and muster up a few examples.
 

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IMO if you have given a good solid example but maybe missed just 1 "buzz word" they will try to draw it out with a question or ask for another example to hopefully get you to say the magic phrase they are looking for.
This is what they did for me! Learn your buzz words!!
 

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This is what they did for me! Learn your buzz words!!
Good advice. Question is what are the buzzwords do you suppose. For emergency one I would hazard a guess they are:

Calm / pressure
Communication
Procedure
Focus
Control
Risk assesment
Risk component
Plan, as in plan of action
Training, as in followed training
Safety

Any more ideas do you suppose?
 

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Have a looks at this document might help if u base some answers including some of the better non technical skills throwing some of them as buzz words in your answers will definitely help.
 

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Such good comments and advice. I am embarking on the SJT. I will be using all your examples in terms of prepping for what’s to be expected on the assessments. Really excited as been in aviation for few decades and this is hopefully the first step in what I hope to be my second, ahem, final career!
A childhood dream could become reality.
 
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