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Lumo - new Open Access operator on the East Coast Main Line
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As has already been posted in this thread, and can be found here https://www.lumo.co.uk/about-us/passengers-charter#buyTicket
So for this situation you are proposing to occur, the passenger needs to be someone who:
A) only has cash on them
B) is unable to pay by bank transfer
C) has no details they can provide for friends or family who can pay on their behalf
I’m sure that is a non-zero segment of the population. Is that segment also likely to board a train which only stops at one of five stations? Again, a non-zero chance, but the odds of this situation seem incredibly slim
I can assure you verification methods exist.
CaptainHaddock
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Looks a pretty poor service to me: essentially Lumo seem to be running trains at times when few people want to travel to places that few people want to visit!
What a shame they've chosen not to stop at intermediate stations in the East Midlands such as Newark, Retford or even Doncaster as that would have opened up their services to a much larger market.
What a shame they've chosen not to stop at intermediate stations in the East Midlands such as Newark, Retford or even Doncaster as that would have opened up their services to a much larger market.
I'd suggest it wasn't their choice not to stop there
They've chosen that for a very good reason - to do so would be too abstractive of other operators' revenue.
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I'm somewhat interested to give Lumo a try on a Sunday some time around March next year (pending any COVID-related restrictions at that time) to travel from Stevenage to Newcastle. Sunday is the only day of the week in which the one morning northbound service that calls at Stevenage is at a reasonable time (weekdays it's around 6am, but on a Sunday it's around 9am). While the dirt-cheap fares they are offering for the time being may no longer be available by then, I can't imagine the cost going up astronomically.
Not their decision. Otherwise they’d certainly be calling at some/all of those, plus presumably York.
Given the limited and odd range of destinations they are connecting it’s surprising (and a vote of confidence in a good recovery in passenger numbers!) that there’s even considered to be a business case for this at all.
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Oh come on, that's a nonsense. You don't think King's Cross - Newcastle/Edinburgh isn't primarily abstractive? Of course it is. They might have conned the ORR on the abstraction test, but we all know the reality.
Hull call at Grantham, Retford and Doncaster so that must pass the abstractive test.
Incidentally, how long before Hull Trains is folded into Lumo and the whole thing re-branded?
Another bit of copying and pasting on their website - this time from Avanti:
There appears not to be one, perhaps because they won't be running the full timetable initially.
They have said they were intending to add it as a matter of urgency earlier this morning.
Anonymous10
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ill have you know theres nothing wrong with that purple oh oh ohhhhh anyways whos this new operator anyone care to summarize the basicsThat purple is manky on-screen on a Windows machine. Same horrid colour the Scout Association use, which apparently looks fine on a Mac...oops!
Edit: though it's a very comprehensive site which is quite simple, clear and well put together, and I've not noticed any misinformation, yet at least!Interesting that they specifically mention they have changed the colour temperature of the interior lighting over the standard 80x, which is yet another one in the eye for RUK "naysayers" if true!
This is just an instance of this forum trying to imagine problems where none exist.
(There is, however, a moderately interesting theoretical question arising inasmuch as by travelling, one has incurred a debt to pay for the fare, and one might therefore claim the right to pay that debt in legal tender. But since normal people don’t set out to travel without a ticket on long intercity journeys carrying large sums of cash but no cards nor ways to execute a bank transfer, it will remain theoretical.)
Not if it generates genuinely new, additional revenue (I.e. abstraction from coach or air, or the "low cost" that attracts people who wouldn't otherwise have travelled at all**). And still only 5 Trains per day versus however many LNER run.
**Just look at people booking on this thread just because
By the way you don't "con" the ORR - they commission their own independent modelling to verify the applicant's claims.
Because newly generated revenue from Hull (at the time) outweighed abstracted revenue. Especially given that Hull Trains is still very much a minority operator on flows to those station.
Losing the Hull Trains brand would make very little sense. They are fundamentally different service offers (e.g. standard class only on Lumo)
Killingworth
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RTT has had a breakdown for these services today. When I looked this morning I'm sure I saw an operator East Coast with times and paths for trains each way. It's gone now and Lumo appears with no trains at all. By the time anyone looks again it may have all the times and paths back again.
Whatever, it's all very well for we who are fairly well aware of railway procedures. For the occasional user who wants to go from London to Edinburgh or Newcastle on a particular day it must be mystifying. Different fares and tickets from different operators. And when one train is cancelled or very late you can't just catch the next. You have to factor in paying all over again, or waiting many hours, maybe even until tomorrow for the right train. Yet all sorts of other TOC's trains may offer practical alternatives for all or part of the journey.
Such is railway life.
Most people are fully familiar with Advance fares these days. Miss your train? Pay again.
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Nice colour of blue but if the only branding is that plain text it's incredibly bland
I remember cases where BR did that. A blast from the past there. With todays open style coach seating it might cause issues as had been pointed out earlier.
Bletchleyite
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Bland and simple might mean cheap in peoples' eyes?
That might be the plan! Subtly convince people it's "cheaper" than it is!
Oh dear! As many people would know, the amber nectar made in Scotland is spelt without an 'e'
Lumo the Ryanair of rail travel?
Try to book a ticket using Safari on a Mac and the website seems to default to the touch screen layout intended for phones. Painful.That purple is manky on-screen on a Windows machine. Same horrid colour the Scout Association use, which apparently looks fine on a Mac...oops!
Edit: though it's a very comprehensive site which is quite simple, clear and well put together, and I've not noticed any misinformation, yet at least!
mattdickinson
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You need to search for Lumogo rather than Lumo if you're on Android..
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Ive looked and it has
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How do you all think this will impact those travelling from Glasgow who still have to stick to Avanti fares? I'm travelling for £52 next month from GLC to EUS on two advance singles with railcard discounts. Lumo on the other hand could be done with £13 advance singles and a £12 open off peak return for £38 total, do you think the £14 difference is worth it?
Might Avanti try compete fare wise?
Might Avanti try compete fare wise?
Timetable now added to the website: https://www.lumo.co.uk/our-timetable
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norbitonflyer
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Whether or not many people use it, only cash is legal tender and thus must be accepted to settle a debt. (If cash is refused the debt becomes unenforcable). On buses and trains where you pay before, or at the point of, boarding, they can refuse to let you on if you haven't got the right card/pass even if you have cash (as they do on London buses) as no debt has been incurred. (In the same way a cafeteria can refuse cash but a restaurant msut let you settle the bill by cash)
But if you have boarded a train without a ticket then a debt is incurred as soon as it starts to move. I don't see how they can refuse to settle that debt if you offer to do so by cash. Possibly the Ts & Cs allow them to take your details so they can call in the debt later, but it would then still be necessary that it can, if you choose, be settled in cash.
But if you have boarded a train without a ticket then a debt is incurred as soon as it starts to move. I don't see how they can refuse to settle that debt if you offer to do so by cash. Possibly the Ts & Cs allow them to take your details so they can call in the debt later, but it would then still be necessary that it can, if you choose, be settled in cash.
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That "timetable" looks awfully messy...
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