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Had a run out to Great Yarmouth today,passing the sdgs near the station saw some Caledonian Sleeper carriages.Are they awaiting scrapping.
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Caledonian Sleeper carriages at Great Yarmouth: Awaiting scrapping?
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fgwrich
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Not necessarily No, all the stuff at Yarmouth Vauxhall Sidings is owned by Eastern Rail Services. Some of it has started to go for scrap, while others have recently arrived there (eg ex Dalton Airfield and ex Dartmoor Mk2s).
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Thanks for the info.
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Peter Mugridge
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It's a Mk2 and no, several of the Mk2 / Mk3 fleet did receive the new livery while still in service.
fgwrich
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Further to this, a handful of vehicles were re-liveried into the then new Caledonian Sleeper livery for the initial franchise launch (2 Mk3s + 2 Mk2s re-vinyled for the launch train), eventually joined by a few more RLOs and BUOs (repainted into CS Midnight Teal by ERS). They were eventually supplemented by BSO 9497 (painted) from the Eastern Rail Services fleet, solely used on the Edinburgh > Fort William shuttle.
A good way to tell which coaches were vinyl and which were painted is, if the sides appear to be washed out then it's vinyl. The ends of the coaches weren't touched either so still retained the First Group "Barbie" ends - the repainted ones were treated.
DarloRich
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Is that not a useful brake vehicle?
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What is the silver carriage on the right destined for?
fgwrich
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In short, well I'm not really sure. I'm sure ERS has some form of business plan for all their Mk1s, Mk2s and Mk3s, but so far most seem to have either been modified for filming then sent for scrap (eg 44015), bought for scrap (44089), sent to other places for filming (an ex Chiltern Mk3 at a Rugby Club in the Hertfordshire area) or sold on to LSL (3 Mk2 RLOs). So I'm not really sure to be honest!
Former Chiltern Mk3 12017. The 4x Chilterns on site were only ever bought for their bogies, so most of them will eventually be disposed of after stripping of useful parts.
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Thanks. Didn’t realise that Chiltern had any spare carriages.
Ash Bridge
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Is my memory correct in thinking that Chiltern at one time also had an unconverted rake of mk3 stock that retained their original slam doors, if so could it possibly be one of those vehicles?
Got it in one! They had a single rake that were repainted but not converted, they were used for a while on services to Banbury I think
Ash Bridge
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Thanks for confirming!
Indeed: it is a Mk2d brake open, originally a BFO (I can't recall whether they were reclassified as BSOs for sleeper service as they retained first class seating though declassified).
Looks pretty tired though, as did most of the sleeper MK2 fleet in their twilight years.
fgwrich
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I think you may be confusing that with the Mk3 BFOs - the Mk2 BUOs were converted from Mk2e TSOs in 1999 for the NX operated ScotRail Caledonian Sleeper.
They joined the much earlier Mk2 RLO (Reception Lounge Open) converted in 1987 from Mk2 FOs.
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I photographed these too
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