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Have you been to your town's twin town(s) / sister city / -ies? Which has better public transport?

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As the title says, have you been to the twin town(s) / sister city / cities of your home town (or of nearby settlements if your own isn't twinned with anywhere)? How do the public transport networks in them compare?

Hemel Hempstead isn't twinned with anywhere, but Dacorum as a whole is twinned with Neu-Isenburg. I'd say that Neu-Isenburg wins. There's a tram every fifteen minutes to Frankfurt (Main) Hbf, taking a quarter of an hour, and four S-Bahn services per hour between Frankfurt and Langen (two continuing to Darmstadt). Neither the tram stop nor the railway station are particularly central, but the same applies to Hemel Hempstead and Apsley stations (4 / 2 tph to Euston, 2 tph to Milton Keynes Central).

For Watford and Mainz, I think Mainz wins overall. Four Overground trains, four Tube trains and five LNR services to London per hour is better than what Mainz gets to Frankfurt (looking at 11:00–11:59 tomorrow, five direct trains taking 30-40 minutes), but connections between Mainz and Wiesbaden are better than between Watford and anywhere except central London and Harrow. (I suspect that part of the difference on the first point might be that Mainz has double Watford's population as well as being a state capital, so I'd guess has more inbound commuting.) Mainz also has a sizable tramway network and much further (but less regular) intercity services; a train every two hours to Berlin, as well as the Berlin – Brussels Nightjet, bihourly services to Basel and deeper into Switzerland, and a daily Amsterdam service (although leaving at 03:48 and arriving at 09:58 and having a return journey of 19:44–01:40 may not be to everybody's taste). Watford's 1 tph Avanti to Birmingham (currently extending to at least Preston in the mornings, but that's mostly going at some point) and 1 LNR tph via Northampton, a few early morning / evening services to / from Manchester, Liverpool and Scotland, and the Lowlander isn't terrible, and apart from restoring direct Brighton services (not enough capacity through Croydon and Gatwick, I presume) and stops on the Highlander, there's not much which can really be done without HS2, but I'd still put Mainz's long-distance connections above Watford's apart from in frequency.

I haven't been to Nanterre, Pesaro (Italy), Veliky Novgorod (Russia, if that twinning still stands) or Wilmington (Delaware). From a quick search Wilmington's the thirteenth-busiest Amtrak station, with 1-2 tph to Philadelphia (~30 miles), with most of those carrying on to New York, and there's a roughly hourly service to DC a hundred miles away, plus services to Chicago, Charlotte, New Orleans, Savannah, Miami, and St. Albans (a much longer distance than the Abbey line). There's SEPTA's Wilmington / Newark line as well but that's only hourly with some two hour gaps.

(The bit below put in quotes to make it easier to skip.)

I haven't been to any of Newcastle's sister cities either; from a brief look, without being massively sure, I'd say that
  • Atlanta has worse suburban rail / metro coverage (considering how large the built-up area is) and considerably less long-distance variety (one train per day between New York and New Orleans)
  • Bergen's tram has a better frequency than the Tyne and Wear Metro but covers less of the city, and – although it's a longer distance with relatively few people in-between – four trains per day to Oslo is a lot worse than hourly or better services from Newcastle to Plymouth (a longer air distance than Bergen to Oslo), London, Liverpool and Edinburgh.
  • Gelsenkirchen has a metro line and some tram lines (shared with Bochum) so I think it's around even. Bochum has a decent number of direct trains to Munich (but not frequently), Basel (every two hours), Hamburg (roughly every two hours) and very good services to Berlin (looking at a date a few weeks in the future due to engineering works, there's departures to Berlin at 08:33, 08:58, 09:15 and 09:33, for example) but Gelsenkirchen seems to have a lot fewer, so I'd say that Newcastle has the better intercity services.
  • Groningen's limited to hourly services to Rotterdam and The Hague and local services to Zwolle, with no tram or metro, so Newcastle's is better.
  • Haifa's underground funicular isn't massive, although trains to / from Tel Aviv seem to be fairly frequent (in normal times, at least).
  • Little Rock wins for distance (the Texas Eagle to Chicago and Los Angeles) but not for frequency (daily as far as San Antonio) or local connections (no suburban rail, metro or tram).
  • Nancy is the largest urban area in France apart from Douai - Lens with no metro or tram system (because the former guided bus is being converted to a trolleybus system) and the long-distance services mostly seem limited to one every hour or two to Paris (with some TGVs supplementing TERs towards Strasbourg).
  • Newcastle, NSW has a rather short light rail (six stations) and two trains per hour to Sydney, but not brilliant connections to anywhere else as far as I can tell.
  • Taiyuan has one metro line open (Line 2) with the plan to have seven lines by 2030; I don't know how good long-distance services are.
 
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When, in the 1980s and 1990s, I was involved in the twinning between Lacey Green in Buckinghamshire and Hambye in Normandy, Lacey Green had far better rail services (at Princes Risborough and Saunderton) and bus services (every 30 minutes to High Wycombe and Aylesbury). Hambye had no train service and I don't know if there had ever been a railway. There was an Autobus Arret sign in the main street but I never saw a bus, and on later visits the sign had disappeared.

But I don't think comparisons of public transport services feature highly when decisions are being made about twinning.
 

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I have never visited Shipley' twin of Hamm, but have been involved in two church twinnings at Diocesan level and one at parish level.

The parish one - we (Great Harwood) were much the larger community and, despite the closure of our railway station in 1957 had a considerably better bus service - but the German parish had a railway preservation site (the 41 096 group) with very occasional trains; the pastor kindly took me there, and exploring the site took a good 5min :)

Said parish was within the Blackburn-Braunschweig partnership, and I would say that the urban parts of the Braunschweig regional church territory (which includes Blankenburg in the old DDR, with its 25Kv electrified freight route into the Harz!) had
considerably better local public transport, though train services on all routes were only hourly, so Lancashire scores there (planned cancellations permitting). Rural bus services round Braunschweig were indifferent - difficult to say which area wins! Of course, Lancashire is rather larger overall, which complicates comparisons.

The previous partnership was between Bradford diocese (as was - not just the Metropolitan District, it covered Dent, Bentham and Barnoldswick!) and Erfurt in Central Germany, the state capital of a much larger region. Comparing the urban areas, Erfurt again wins on local public transport (especially the trams, which have fascinated at least one Bishop), and of course is it now a major junction on the ICE network. OTOH Bradford has frequent rail services - and the KWVR :)
(Irrelevant detail - Bradford diocese is now part of the vast Leeds diocese, and the partnership is still going.)

So Germany on points?
 

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I have been to both of York's (current) twin cities: Münster (Westfalen) in Germany on the school exchange (3 times) and Dijon in France visiting my brother's exchange partner.

Münster has a public transport system based around buses, just as York does, but the Münster bus system just seemed to be that little bit better - more frequent, quicker and less expensive. Dijon, at the time we visited (late 1980s) was also bus based, but has since introduced a small network of tramways on the more heavily used routes.

Today, I would say Dijon for definite has the best provision for public transport, but back around the time I visited (mid to late 1980s) I would have put it as a score-draw between Dijon and Münster, with York being knocked out in the previous round! ;)
 

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I've been to Reading's twin of Dusseldorf, and while both have large train stations with frequent regional and intercity train services, Dusseldorf has to win because it also has a metro/u-bahn and tram network with fully integrated ticketing, while transport within Reading is limited to buses.
 

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Rochdale has four twin towns, none of which I've visited (although I've passed through one by road.)

Based purely on Wikipedia, Rochdale probably comes 5th for transport links.

1st - Bielefeld. It's in Germany, served by ICE and is efficient and looks decent (like most places in Germany).
2nd - Sahiwal, Pakistan. A provincial city, on the main line from Lahore to Karachi, but in the Punjab and so nearer the former. Many of my neighbours are from this area of Northern Pakistan, they're decent folk and I suspect it's probably one of the better places to live in South Asia.
3rd - Lviv (Ukraine). Historic city, major gateway to Western Ukraine, and main rail junction for lines to Poland and Slovakia. Unfortunately it's occasionally subject to Russian attacks.
4th - Tourcoing. So far north in France you can walk to Belgium for mayo on your frites. Excellent transport links, however from passing through it seems to be the French equivalent of Milton Keynes.
5th. Rochdale. Served by Northern Rail, has through services to Headbolt Lane (and Ribble head from the summer). Unfortunately also served by Metrolink, probably the worst rail system in England...
 

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Our town doesn't have a twin. However nearby South Shields is twinned with Wuppertal.

Falling apart T&W Metro vs Schwebebahn. I'll let you decide....
 

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Our town doesn't have a twin. However nearby South Shields is twinned with Wuppertal.

Falling apart T&W Metro vs Schwebebahn. I'll let you decide....
Depends whether the Schwebebahn is working - it hasn't had a good "track" record in recent years :)
5th. Rochdale. Served by Northern Rail, has through services to Headbolt Lane (and Ribble head from the summer)
and Halifax, Bradford, Leeds, Blackburn, Burnley....
 

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I've been to Reading's twin of Dusseldorf, and while both have large train stations with frequent regional and intercity train services, Dusseldorf has to win because it also has a metro/u-bahn and tram network with fully integrated ticketing, while transport within Reading is limited to buses.
However we are not comparing like with like - apart from the twinning. Düsseldorf is the capital of Nord-Rhein Westfalen and has a population of over 650,000. Reading is now simply a unitary authority with a population in the borough of 170,000 and in the surrounding area of some 300,000 depending on where one draws the boundaries.

It is not surprising that Düsseldorf has the bigger transport system.

And the reason for the twinning is that at the end of the Second World War reports came back from the Royal Berkshire Regiment, then occupying Düsseldorf, asking for help for people who were hungry and homeless. The Mayor of Reading, Phoebe Cusden, answered the call and sent help, visited Düsseldorf, and invited six children to stay with families in Reading. The rest as they say is history.
 
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Depends whether the Schwebebahn is working - it hasn't had a good "track" record in recent years :)
I went to Wuppertal twice in the 1970s. The Schwebebahn was broken down on both occasions then as well - or, as the ticket office clerk said "Schwebebahn 'kaput' ".
 

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