That seems to be a good temporary plan. There is a loss of frequency but same capacity with all stops open.
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That seems to be a good temporary plan. There is a loss of frequency but same capacity with all stops open.
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Ant158
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As a regular commuter on the Rochdale line, not impressed by this, the frequency is more important than getting a double tram. Will mean having to plan my train/tram connection both start and end of day more carefully.
Though on the positive side if it means a tram actually runs every 12 mins rather than 3 in 12 mins then a 20-25 min gap that's at least easier to plan.
It's a shame they can't run Victoria to Shaw, but this would conflict with the airport trams.
Greybeard33
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Less capacity between Victoria and Shaw, because there are already some doubles in the 10tph frequency and they are not promising the 5tph to Rochdale will all be doubles.
Xenophon PCDGS
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How do the normal passenger loadings between Shaw and Rochdale compare to the average Metrolink loadings of all lines?
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It's not usually super busy beyond Oldham towards Rochdale, because of the time discrepancy between the direct train into Victoria from Rochdale and the tram the whole way into Victoria. Hence, a lot of people aren't prepared to do the slog the whole way in unless they're trying to save compared to Northern Rail's prices or are going onwards on the tram outside the City Zone.
MetrolinkInsYT
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That's really not good, considering that Victoria - Shaw and Crompton was already just about getting by without full trams with 10tph during rush hour (every other tram being a double).
Of course, this might be good for the line's punctuality if they get the single track sections' timing right, but with passenger numbers still increasing to pre-COVID levels, 5tph and "additional" double trams likely aren't going to be enough for commuters if they don't fix the Victoria issue quickly.
Not possible at the moment for various reasons.
Quick question about signal priorities on the airport line.
Why do the signal priorities on the line kick in so late. When leaving wythenshawe interchange for example, the tram has to slow right down before speeding back up when crossing Rowlandsway and Woodend Road. Is this done purposefully so the tram crosses the road junctions at a slower speed, or is it just the signal change being prompted too close to the junction so the tram reaches it too fast? I don’t know how the signal prioritisation works on metrolink whether there are beacons on the track or if the trams send a signal so any insight would be interesting
Why do the signal priorities on the line kick in so late. When leaving wythenshawe interchange for example, the tram has to slow right down before speeding back up when crossing Rowlandsway and Woodend Road. Is this done purposefully so the tram crosses the road junctions at a slower speed, or is it just the signal change being prompted too close to the junction so the tram reaches it too fast? I don’t know how the signal prioritisation works on metrolink whether there are beacons on the track or if the trams send a signal so any insight would be interesting
It’s just badly set up. There is an ongoing project to try and improve things but the APL is low priority at the moment.
MSO69
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Does anyone have the t68 2010 announcements that include “this is a mediacityuk service” “this is an Eccles bi mediacityuk service” and “this is a piccadilly via mediacityuk service”
Is there any updates on the Trafford park line extending to crumpsall, is it still slated for early this year or has it been pushed back
Is there any updates on the Trafford park line extending to crumpsall, is it still slated for early this year or has it been pushed back
The current issues at Victoria have put a rather large spanner in the works there.
MSO69
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aha thought that might of affected that
What are the issues at Victoria?
Mcr Warrior
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Nothing running between Exchange Square and Victoria on the Second City Crossing route (due to a cracked rail affecting a strategic piece of the pointwork near Victoria, so all through trams having to run via Market Street)?
AlastairFraser
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Broken crossover on the entrance affecting access to the Second City Crossing (Metrolink between St Peters Square and Victoria via Exchange Square), and the Victoria to St Peters Square via Market St/Picc Gardens section too.
Sounds painful, have Metrolink given a timescale for repair/replacement?
Guessing being a crossover it's likely to be a bespoke design that'll need manufacturing rather than an off the shelf bit of kit...
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Believe so, heard they've got to wait for a bespoke part to fix the crossover.
Xenophon PCDGS
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Have TfGM given any idea of the time requirements to fabricate the replacement crossover and for it to be installed?
Winthorpe
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No, the last update on the 29th February 2024 (see below) is still: '[a]s of Tuesday 20 February, Metrolink and the track manufacturer are working to establish a date for the track crossing is replaced.'
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I wouldn't say it's complex, you can see roughly the junction if you use satellite view on Google maps.
I think it's more possible that it's the only junction on the system configured that way so it's not a spare part they stock
Greybeard33
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Both of the tracks through the diamond crossing are curved, so the components are bespoke.
TacoTraveller
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Yes, I understand, but I wouldn't use the word complex just not a stocked bespoke item so if it breaks as it has on both ends of victoria they get sent away
edwin_m
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It's a fairly tricky geometry to tie in with the tight curves into the platforms and the divergence of the 2CC and the original route, plus various features to be avoided in between. I expect a layout using simpler components wouldn't have fitted in the space.
Xenophon PCDGS
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Would the stresses imposed on the curved section of the crossover make it more liable to suffer cracks than normal running lines?
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There's been a collision between a tram and a bus in Manchester city centre. @507 001 may have more details.
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk
The Metrolink in Manchester city centre is disrupted this morning after a crash.
Pictures show the crash between a tram and a coach on Portland Street, close to Piccadilly Gardens. A number of service changes are now in place due to the incident.
According to the Bee Network, the lines impacted are the Ashton-under-Lyne to Eccles line, the Altrincham to Bury line, the Altrincham to Piccadilly line and the Bury to Piccadilly line. Ashton services will operate to Piccadilly and Eccles services will operate to Exchange Square.
LIVE: Metrolink disruption after tram and coach crash in Manchester - updates
A number of service changes are in place on the network
The Metrolink in Manchester city centre is disrupted this morning after a crash.
Pictures show the crash between a tram and a coach on Portland Street, close to Piccadilly Gardens. A number of service changes are now in place due to the incident.
According to the Bee Network, the lines impacted are the Ashton-under-Lyne to Eccles line, the Altrincham to Bury line, the Altrincham to Piccadilly line and the Bury to Piccadilly line. Ashton services will operate to Piccadilly and Eccles services will operate to Exchange Square.
From the picture in the MEN this sounds like the most likely explanation to me.
It looks to me like due to the curves around that crossing the front of the tram made it past, but then the side of the tram swung in to the back of the coach.
There is a yellow box on the crossing, but presumablly the coach driver either ignored it or misjudged the length of their coach and thought they had enough space to get across.
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The missing track piece is where the letter B is, the x section above the B has been removed and replaced with a normal rail to allow outbound service use.