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Reading other comments here regarding a few things that may lead people to need to contact a customer service team (e.g. poor roadside or printed publicity / lost property / unclear ticket or booking policies / driver attitude complaints / service change complaints) I paused to think of who (if anyone) does customer service well, and honestly couldn't find a solid example of across-the-board good performance.

In a past role I had to deal with the escalated queries in my region for one of the big operator's customer service teams and quite frankly it was astounding quite how much they couldn't do. In that sense, I think I'm looking at the big groups for the worse level of customer service as for the most part they've attempted to do it in the cheapest way by centralising operations to people who don't know the local routes & areas, and have no means of getting the answers. While there's some logic to a centralised approach, none of the benefits (e.g. longer hours as it's more feasible to do shifts in 1 centralised team of 20 rather than 8 localised teams of 4) seem to have been realised aside from cost savings.

As information is ever more readily accessible through apps, websites and often RTI/RTPI displays, it's probably time for the whole industry to begin to question what their customer services team is there for, and how they should be doing it.

For me, opening hours and consistency is a key one. National Rail Enquiries covers the whole rail network and is open 24/7 aside from Christmas Day, whereas Traveline divisions usually look to open from 0700 until early evening and cover fairly unclear boundaries. In the age of BODS (and similar outside England!) it feels possible that a DfT managed enquiry centre could easily offer first level timetable and fare information 24/7, but with the back-up of "I can't find that location sorry, I can put you through to the regional team / operator" so that the customer can be passed in the correct direction without a whole rigmarole of finding the right number / team / person to address their query to.

Equally is geographical accessibility, for many face-to-face is best, and some things (such as returning a lost mobile phone) are far more challenging to do online! Somewhat tied with the opening hours bit, it's going to be quite off-putting for a customer to have to travel to an out-of-town bus depot to hope to find help, particularly if only available 9 to 5 - if you lose something and work weekdays then you may be struggling to get it back! Having a presence in a bus station, or on the streets of a town without a bus station, or the means to get printed materials or lost property to a remote customer are important in my opinion. We seem to have digital accessibility well sorted, but it does pose the question of have we gone too far that way and lost the geographical accessibility.

Finally, the big one is speed of answering. Data isn't perfect, and if your travel planning app gives you a bizarre looking result, or the disruption is shows is unclear, as a passenger you want to know quickly what this means for you. A 30 minute wait for a big operator or a series of "you're through to voicemail"s for smaller operators is probably off putting for many customers with alternative options. Equally (and this most certain applies across other industries too, utility companies I'm looking at you) there's surely no reason an email enquiry takes 7 days to respond to when a phone or live chat enquiry can be resolved in 7 minutes. Complex matters are different of course, but the targets for simple enquiries should be as short as can be expected to be achieved, and should be the same through every medium.

So that's what jumped out at me! Your turn now, considering what we traditionally call customer services like travel shops, call centres, on street representatives, etc... who gives good customer service, and what is it that they do well? What's being done well in one place that the whole industry could take note of?
 
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I wonder if Arriva would be interested in signing up to your suggestions…..! LOL!
 

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In my interactions with TFL they seem to do fairly well. The issues you describe I think it's partly to do with the fragmentation of private companies -everyone is doing their own thing, and as such inconsistencies arrive.

The problem is also the cost of staffing the offices to have people ready to answer the phones or man the live chats vs the returns you'd get.
Everyone bangs on about AI and automation for these aspects, but it just causes more frustration for the caller, how many times have we phoned a bank and been greeted with the robot to ask you to say what you are after and it doesn't understand it or you? Likewise wth chat robots (and I don't mean the live chat services staffed by people) - it gets several inappropriate or confused suggestions before it/you gives up and tries to direct you a person.
And then you've been slung into a queue to listen to Greensleeves on loop?
 

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I wonder if Arriva would be interested in signing up to your suggestions…..! LOL!

Pretty confident that's a no! ;)

In my interactions with TFL they seem to do fairly well. The issues you describe I think it's partly to do with the fragmentation of private companies -everyone is doing their own thing, and as such inconsistencies arrive.

The problem is also the cost of staffing the offices to have people ready to answer the phones or man the live chats vs the returns you'd get.
Everyone bangs on about AI and automation for these aspects, but it just causes more frustration for the caller, how many times have we phoned a bank and been greeted with the robot to ask you to say what you are after and it doesn't understand it or you? Likewise wth chat robots (and I don't mean the live chat services staffed by people) - it gets several inappropriate or confused suggestions before it/you gives up and tries to direct you a person.
And then you've been slung into a queue to listen to Greensleeves on loop?

You're absolutely correct that the fragmentation of the operators is a huge part of it, and secondly the political fragmentation too - it's probably harder to get Westminster, devolved governments and Metro Mayors to agree than it is to get the big operators to agree.

There's a cost there, absolutely, but in most cases it's an existing cost - aside from the smaller operators with simply "the boss" and no other office staff - all operators and many "industry bodies" have some sort of customer services function. You may be able to ring City Buses Ltd, Transport for City, and Traveline Cityregion to query the same journey, in which case, there's ample cost/resource but it's perhaps not being used well, and the operator funds or public funds would benefit from being rearranged.

With regard to the returns you get for the cost it's a tough question to quantify, but to some degree we do need to question what is right for the minimum standard. Anecdotally speaking many people switch broadband, insurance or utilities with a comment of "I wouldn't go with ####, you can never get through to them when you need them". Perhaps the same is more common than we appreciate for the bus industry, a good number of potential customers choosing rail because NRE is available 24/7 or cars because there's always a petrol station and the RAC if needed.

AI chatbots definitely have a future and I'd say in the role you describe as somewhere between a search engine and telephone exchange, finding the right answer, form or channel and connecting the user to it. I agree however at present they seem to be far more irritating than useful.
 

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I am honestly struggling to think of any examples of what I would describe as particularly good customer service from bus companies.

One example of bad service that I will highlight is Travel South Yorkshire bus stations. The staffing of them is outsourced, I believe to Bidvest, and they do not seem particularly knowledgeable about tickets, timetables or anything like that - presumably because all of those things are controlled by different organisations and they simply haven't been given enough information. There's no point in having people on the ground to deal with queries if the only answer they can give is "I don't know, try looking online"

I would also say the attitude of drivers can make more of a difference to the impression the company gives than the designated customer service staff.
 

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I am honestly struggling to think of any examples of what I would describe as particularly good customer service from bus companies.
Likewise - I find it's often easier to get an answer to a query on this forum rather than actually contact the bus company yourself.

One example of poor customer service which stood out to me was when I messaged a local bus company on Facebook to enquire about fares. It took almost a week for them to respond, and all that they did respond was "Email us at (email)". I didn't bother.

As for Stagecoach, I don't think I've ever received a response from them to the various email enquiries I've sent out. Surprisingly, I find Arriva better in this regard, as they do actually tend to respond in my experience, even if it takes a week.
 
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While National Rail Enquiries (NRE) was held up as an example of what the bus industry should do, I wonder how much NRE is used nowadays? I can't remember the figures now, but when we were designing new bus stop flags for our area the question of Traveline came up and use of the phone line was miniscule, and that is with most flags and roadside timetable currently displaying the number. Of course, if could be that people have received poor service from Traveline in the past and now don't call, or it could be that the idea of actually calling someone is no longer something people consider.

But I know of one very successful family owned and run bus company which effectively saw off First bus and is now experiencing great levels of growth which the major players can't touch. They are very strong on their social media interactions, and no doubt very responsive to phone calls too. On a recent weekend we had an unexpected overnight snow fall, and their social media was very much "on the case" explaining that roads were open, buses were running, but running late despite the best efforts of their drivers. The responses? All very supportive, thanking the drivers, being understanding, with no negativity at all. Because they are honest, local and part of the community they serve the customers respond. When the weather is really bad they will posting photos from around the network as they check routes as early as 04.30, and if there is a problem with their last journeys at gone eleven PM they'll be posting that too. Oh, and I've seen them post photos of lost property such as keys as they know how important they are to the person who has lost them.

All of the above might be considered basic, perhaps it is, but their passenger numbers prove that it is working, that the effort is worth it. Would a National Bus Enquiries line come close to that?
 

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In my experience Cardiff Bus aren't too bad - generally fairly rapid responses to queries/complaints and they will take the time to actually read what you write and give a relevant response.

Perhaps not a surprise that smaller companies tend to do better, though I don't suppose it needs to be that way.
 

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When the weather is really bad they will posting photos from around the network as they check routes as early as 04.30, and if there is a problem with their last journeys at gone eleven PM they'll be posting that too. Oh, and I've seen them post photos of lost property such as keys as they know how important they are to the person who has lost them.
It's amazing how many bus companies go incommunicado outside of the 9-5. It's a 24 hr operation, and the operators need to grow up and accept that. They leave passengers to their fate and then wonder why no-one gets the last buses...
Finally, the big one is speed of answering. Data isn't perfect, and if your travel planning app gives you a bizarre looking result, or the disruption is shows is unclear, as a passenger you want to know quickly what this means for you. A 30 minute wait for a big operator or a series of "you're through to voicemail"s for smaller operators is probably off putting for many customers with alternative options. Equally (and this most certain applies across other industries too, utility companies I'm looking at you) there's surely no reason an email enquiry takes 7 days to respond to when a phone or live chat enquiry can be resolved in 7 minutes. Complex matters are different of course, but the targets for simple enquiries should be as short as can be expected to be achieved, and should be the same through every medium.
I had a month's wait from FirstBus once... it just gives the mental image of one person in a basement in Aberdeen dealing with all enquiries from across the group!
 

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In my interactions with TFL they seem to do fairly well.
My experiences with TFL have been dismal. About 4 months ago I messaged with an issue a few days prior and they said they are going to pass the issue to HCT. Of course HCT ceased operating over a year ago. Absolutely clueless. With anything other than the bare basic questions, they really struggle.
 
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The most impressive bus customer service I've seen was on Anglian Buses (pre-Go Ahead takeover and merging with Konectbus) 16 years ago. I was on holiday in Holton, near Halesworth, and boarded the Aldburgh service to do a walk back along the coast. A woman boarding in Holton just after me was given some loose change by the driver. 'That's from last night. Your daughter got on but I didn't have enough change'. Later, the bus turned off the A12 into Darsham (probably) and picked up an elderly lady waiting outside her cottage. 'Morning Peter!' she said cheerfully when she got on. That quality of service isn't based on training or 'customer experience' managementspeak, just traditional local bus operation rooted in the community. The route is now Borderbus 522, hope it's doing well. Don't know if Peter is still driving, but if anyone knows him, he'd probably be amazed that someone remembers a trip on his bus around Easter 2008.
 

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Houston's of lockerby deserve a mentioned here. The quality of drivers and support from depot and back office operations that they have brought to the 100 group of services between Edinburgh Lanarkshire the Scottish borders and Dumfries has in my view made a significant difference to a root that has been unloved and to an extent unlovely for many years and which is in itself a tricky customer to improve, operationally challenging and rely on subsidy as it is



Now defunct Leasks of Lerwick we're also masters of their craft with a good reliable fleet and excellent drivers. I'm aware that my replies heavily biased towards independence thus far and here goes another, Prentice of Haddington East Lothian. As far as the big groups are concerned, I have to personalally mention stagecoach north Scotland Highlands division and their various previous incarnations for in my view at least being a cut above other opcos
 

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Are they?
At least they don't give answers like Arriva. "It is really important we look into this . We will get back to you in 7 days to confirm your bus this morning is not running. But then again, we might not, and just blame operational problems "
 

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I think all the big groups are poor at responding on social media, with centralised support teams managing responses who in reality don’t have a clue what’s going on.
 

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At least they don't give answers like Arriva. "It is really important we look into this . We will get back to you in 7 days to confirm your bus this morning is not running. But then again, we might not, and just blame operational problems "
Yep, had that happen to me with Arriva. I enquired about the timing of the last bus for the following evening, they replied five days after the bus was scheduled to run.

Took the car instead to be on the safe side…!
 

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I can't remember having needed to contact the customer services people at Reading Buses, but they are fairly good at getting information about delays / diversions / cancellations up on Twitter at all hours (which of course is only any use if you're on Twitter and have a smart phone if you're already out and about, but it's better than many do) - even if a bus is 10 minutes late, that usually generates a 'tweet'.

I presume since they run 24/7 that they have some staff presence at all hours unless there's a way of automating this. There's one timed 2219 yesterday (Sunday) evening and the one after that's timed 0657 this morning, but I have seen them posted in the middle of the night when one of the night buses has a problem.
 

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I think all the big groups are poor at responding on social media, with centralised support teams managing responses who in reality don’t have a clue what’s going on.
I have noticed that Stagecoach Cumbria's information on Twitter is completely inconsistent. You'll often find intricate details about delays in Morecambe, or Barrow. Which is nice except when you're standing in Keswick and the bus you're waiting for has disappeared into the ether with no mention of it at all!
 

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Lynx (in Norfolk) are consistently very good. Detailed real-time information about disruption, any staff I've spoken to are informed and helpful.
No surprise that it's run by the same people who set up Konectbus mentioned above.

MD Julian Patterson even showed up once, in his Porsche, to replace a headlight bulb. Ten-minute delay when many companies would have cancelled the service.

First are absolutely hopeless - like others above, I've waited several weeks for totally useless answers to simple queries. Stagecoach are little better.

I've contacted NXWM and Diamond WM once each and was quite impressed in both cases. Useful answers quite promptly.
 

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Transdev Blazefield and TrentBarton are always prompt and helpful with their responses to queries both niche and general. You always get a sense that they know their stuff, and know their patch. With other operators, it often feels like you're talking to someone whose only experience of a service bus is overtaking one at a bus stop.

Trentbarton are also very transparent with their fares, which is not the case for most operators.
 

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The couple of times I've had cause to contact Go Cornwall they've been very prompt and very helpful.
 

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The couple of times I've had cause to contact Go Cornwall they've been very prompt and very helpful.
One of the few big groups that have kept socials local. Normally replies are from JB in their customer service department. JB is very enthusiastic and passionate about the industry and owns a preserved bus too. Not your normal contact centre staff based 100s of miles away with no interest in the industry
 

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Last year I was getting the bus in to work and it didn't show up, the real time display was just alternating between 6 and 5 mins (or thereabouts), obviously bus had broken down and I was resigned to catch a different service that would mean a 10 minute walk to my destination and being late for work.
Just about to get on the other bus when my bus arrives, obviously the driver of the broken down bus had caught the other bus back to the depot, got another bus and came to pick me up (there's a bloke in Weymouth who provides bus information that was obviously relaying information).
One sprightly run to work and I actually made it just on time.
Now that's service!
 

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One of the few big groups that have kept socials local. Normally replies are from JB in their customer service department. JB is very enthusiastic and passionate about the industry and owns a preserved bus too. Not your normal contact centre staff based 100s of miles away with no interest in the industry
And it makes so much difference!
 

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I am honestly struggling to think of any examples of what I would describe as particularly good customer service from bus companies.
Likewise - I find it's often easier to get an answer to a query on this forum rather than actually contact the bus company yourself.

Quite! That's a large part of what prompted me to start this thread. We can see good examples of route launches and liveries and timetables from afar, but not so the friendly, helpful knowledgeable person on the end of the phone that matters far more to the average customer, which is perhaps why we're prone to seeing/expecting poorer customer service as it's not as simple as "just get Best Impressions to do it"!

While National Rail Enquiries (NRE) was held up as an example of what the bus industry should do, I wonder how much NRE is used nowadays? I can't remember the figures now, but when we were designing new bus stop flags for our area the question of Traveline came up and use of the phone line was miniscule, and that is with most flags and roadside timetable currently displaying the number. Of course, if could be that people have received poor service from Traveline in the past and now don't call, or it could be that the idea of actually calling someone is no longer something people consider.

But I know of one very successful family owned and run bus company which effectively saw off First bus and is now experiencing great levels of growth which the major players can't touch. They are very strong on their social media interactions, and no doubt very responsive to phone calls too. On a recent weekend we had an unexpected overnight snow fall, and their social media was very much "on the case" explaining that roads were open, buses were running, but running late despite the best efforts of their drivers. The responses? All very supportive, thanking the drivers, being understanding, with no negativity at all. Because they are honest, local and part of the community they serve the customers respond. When the weather is really bad they will posting photos from around the network as they check routes as early as 04.30, and if there is a problem with their last journeys at gone eleven PM they'll be posting that too. Oh, and I've seen them post photos of lost property such as keys as they know how important they are to the person who has lost them.

All of the above might be considered basic, perhaps it is, but their passenger numbers prove that it is working, that the effort is worth it. Would a National Bus Enquiries line come close to that?

It's amazing how many bus companies go incommunicado outside of the 9-5. It's a 24 hr operation, and the operators need to grow up and accept that. They leave passengers to their fate and then wonder why no-one gets the last buses...

I wouldn't say I'm holding National Rail Enquiries as a shining example of the way forward, but that the basic premise of it (i.e. a single phone number that's always available when buses are running) is a very good starting point. Would that beat the local operator you describe? Absolutely not. Would it beat the countless other operators who can't meet that standard? Probably - one "call centre" open at 0430 to relay information from multiple operator control rooms is probably not much more costly than each operator in an area having one or two people covering office hours.

You're right though, speedy, accurate, and well-presented information available whenever a bus is running is a basic that is both well worth getting right, and frequently not done at all. Opening the phone lines after most customers have travelled and shutting them before they get home, really is not a good state of affairs.

In my experience Cardiff Bus aren't too bad - generally fairly rapid responses to queries/complaints and they will take the time to actually read what you write and give a relevant response.

Perhaps not a surprise that smaller companies tend to do better, though I don't suppose it needs to be that way.
Maybe Wellglade, Trentbarton and Kinchbus are better than most.
I can't remember having needed to contact the customer services people at Reading Buses, but they are fairly good at getting information about delays / diversions / cancellations up on Twitter at all hours (which of course is only any use if you're on Twitter and have a smart phone if you're already out and about, but it's better than many do) - even if a bus is 10 minutes late, that usually generates a 'tweet'.

I presume since they run 24/7 that they have some staff presence at all hours unless there's a way of automating this. There's one timed 2219 yesterday (Sunday) evening and the one after that's timed 0657 this morning, but I have seen them posted in the middle of the night when one of the night buses has a problem.
I would agree that all of these are good operators, but my experience of getting in touch with Wellglade (admittedly years ago now) was just as poor as any large group operator, being passed around extensions and fobbed off. There probably is a "sweet spot" in terms of size, where an operator can justify having a reasonably sized and resourced team in place that can still be on first name terms with the relevant supervisors, allocators, etc to know what is going on.

Houston's of lockerby deserve a mentioned here. The quality of drivers and support from depot and back office operations that they have brought to the 100 group of services between Edinburgh Lanarkshire the Scottish borders and Dumfries has in my view made a significant difference to a root that has been unloved and to an extent unlovely for many years and which is in itself a tricky customer to improve, operationally challenging and rely on subsidy as it is



Now defunct Leasks of Lerwick we're also masters of their craft with a good reliable fleet and excellent drivers. I'm aware that my replies heavily biased towards independence thus far and here goes another, Prentice of Haddington East Lothian. As far as the big groups are concerned, I have to personalally mention stagecoach north Scotland Highlands division and their various previous incarnations for in my view at least being a cut above other opcos

Those are fair observations, and good to hear a big group getting a nomination!

The most impressive bus customer service I've seen was on Anglian Buses (pre-Go Ahead takeover and merging with Konectbus) 16 years ago. I was on holiday in Holton, near Halesworth, and boarded the Aldburgh service to do a walk back along the coast. A woman boarding in Holton just after me was given some loose change by the driver. 'That's from last night. Your daughter got on but I didn't have enough change'. Later, the bus turned off the A12 into Darsham (probably) and picked up an elderly lady waiting outside her cottage. 'Morning Peter!' she said cheerfully when she got on. That quality of service isn't based on training or 'customer experience' managementspeak, just traditional local bus operation rooted in the community. The route is now Borderbus 522, hope it's doing well. Don't know if Peter is still driving, but if anyone knows him, he'd probably be amazed that someone remembers a trip on his bus around Easter 2008.
In many cases, that sort of service is truly invaluable, and fits with that well regarded Transdev-ism of recruiting people who can look after customers then teaching them to drive a bus. It doesn't come without other issues of course, when sometimes someone can be much beloved by their passengers but guilty of other indiscretions...and gets to skate through because of the backlash!

Transdev Blazefield and TrentBarton are always prompt and helpful with their responses to queries both niche and general. You always get a sense that they know their stuff, and know their patch. With other operators, it often feels like you're talking to someone whose only experience of a service bus is overtaking one at a bus stop.

Trentbarton are also very transparent with their fares, which is not the case for most operators.

The couple of times I've had cause to contact Go Cornwall they've been very prompt and very helpful.

One of the few big groups that have kept socials local. Normally replies are from JB in their customer service department. JB is very enthusiastic and passionate about the industry and owns a preserved bus too. Not your normal contact centre staff based 100s of miles away with no interest in the industry

Last year I was getting the bus in to work and it didn't show up, the real time display was just alternating between 6 and 5 mins (or thereabouts), obviously bus had broken down and I was resigned to catch a different service that would mean a 10 minute walk to my destination and being late for work.
Just about to get on the other bus when my bus arrives, obviously the driver of the broken down bus had caught the other bus back to the depot, got another bus and came to pick me up (there's a bloke in Weymouth who provides bus information that was obviously relaying information).
One sprightly run to work and I actually made it just on time.
Now that's service!

The connection here seems to be something quite simple, and that's people who genuinely want to go the extra mile and genuinely want to be helpful! That's something I'd advocate for no matter the size, ownership or structure, well done to those people and well done to those who have enabled them.



(and to those I've not replied to, or if I've bodged the multiquote and automerge - sorry! I shouldn't have left it until this evening to reply!)
 
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Quite! That's a large part of what prompted me to start this thread. We can see good examples of route launches and liveries and timetables from afar, but not so the friendly, helpful knowledgeable person on the end of the phone that matters far more to the average customer, which is perhaps why we're prone to seeing/expecting poorer customer service as it's not as simple as "just get Best Impressions to do it"!





I wouldn't say I'm holding National Rail Enquiries as a shining example of the way forward, but that the basic premise of it (i.e. a single phone number that's always available when buses are running) is a very good starting point. Would that beat the local operator you describe? Absolutely not. Would it beat the countless other operators who can't meet that standard? Probably - one "call centre" open at 0430 to relay information from multiple operator control rooms is probably not much more costly than each operator in an area having one or two people covering office hours.

You're right though, speedy, accurate, and well-presented information available whenever a bus is running is a basic that is both well worth getting right, and frequently not done at all. Opening the phone lines after most customers have travelled and shutting them before they get home, really is not a good state of affairs.




I would agree that all of these are good operators, but my experience of getting in touch with Wellglade (admittedly years ago now) was just as poor as any large group operator, being passed around extensions and fobbed off. There probably is a "sweet spot" in terms of size, where an operator can justify having a reasonably sized and resourced team in place that can still be on first name terms with the relevant supervisors, allocators, etc to know what is going on.



Those are fair observations, and good to hear a big group getting a nomination!


In many cases, that sort of service is truly invaluable, and fits with that well regarded Transdev-ism of recruiting people who can look after customers then teaching them to drive a bus. It doesn't come without other issues of course, when sometimes someone can be much beloved by their passengers but guilty of other indiscretions...and gets to skate through because of the backlash!









The connection here seems to be something quite simple, and that's people who genuinely want to go the extra mile and genuinely want to be helpful! That's something I'd advocate for no matter the size, ownership or structure, well done to those people and well done to those who have enabled them.



(and to those I've not replied to, or if I've bodged the multiquote and automerge - sorry! I shouldn't have left it until this evening to reply!)
Yes, if the employee is passionate and helpful to a prospective customer, it often pays off. I would think a few would think, I'll use another mode.
 

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I think operating hours is a big one. Go North East run their twitter feed 9-5 - they've pretty much abandoned any sort of update on social media and point passengers towards their somewhat clunky app (which often gives less than clear updates)
 

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I often cringe at some of the responses on Twitter by the likes of First

Quite often people asking the question will know more than the person answering?

“Due to road works buses 1 & 2 will not serve stop X”
Does this also effect bus 3, which goes the same way someone will ask
“We are not aware of any change to service 3” will be the response

Someone asked FirstWestYorks if they were still able to use their WYMetro MCard when the 184 changes to the Bee Network

“@Beenetwork will be able to help with this query” was the response
 

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