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"Out of form" (i.e. non-ADL) Stagecoach orders
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Flange Squeal
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Stagecoach acquired a batch of rigid 12m Mercedes-Benz Citaros for London route 227 in 2012. I presume the route’s spec required full size single decks of a certain capacity, which Enviro 200s couldn’t meet? I think the Enviro 300 was still available then, but not sure I’ve ever seen/heard of a London spec one?
They did of course also operate 18m articulated Citaros in London as well, however I presume that fleet acquisition was heavily influenced by Transport for London.
They did of course also operate 18m articulated Citaros in London as well, however I presume that fleet acquisition was heavily influenced by Transport for London.
Goldfish62
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A TfL-compliant dual door E300 was available at the time, I saw a general arrangement drawing. However, Stagecoach London preferred the Citraro based on their previous experience of the type.
I think it briefly appeared on the ADL website for a day and then disappeared.
Since Brian Souter offloaded his share of ADL and Stagecoach it seems there has been more freedom for operating companies to go off piste from pure ADL offerings.
py_megapixel
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My impression was that the E200, which was what one might describe as a "midi-bus", and the E300, which was a full-sized single decker, had both been replaced by the E200MMC, which is available in a greater range of lengths covering both categories.Ahh, yes I forgot that the E300 isn't available any more!
It seems silly that Alexander Dennis withdrew it without a full replacement but maybe the development would have been too expensive.
Are diesel StreetDecks and MCV-bodied Volvos no longer built?
Volvo B5 is discontinued, hence why Lothian bought a load a couple of years back. Wrightbus still has a diesel Streetdeck listed on website
computerSaysNo
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Yes, but in the maximum length the E200MMC is available with the lower power engine (4.5L) with 6-speed gearbox, or the higher power engine (6.7L) with a 4-speed gearbox; it is not possible to get the higher power engine with the 6-speed box (apparently due to space constraints). Whereas with the E300 you could have both the larger engine and the 6-speed box.
There's also the issue that you can't get the 200MMC body with a chassis from a different manufacturer (not that I'm aware of anyway). I'm sure ADL would be happy to produce one if the order size was big enough though.
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Volvo diesel decker is only available as a 12m tri-axle. Wrights May in theory offer a diesel Streetdeck but aren’t interested in quoting for it!
Strathclyder
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Indeed, which is why I didn't mention the ones that SPT ordered for the Isle of Arran in 2015 in my intital post.