• Our booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk (powered by TrainSplit) helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchase! Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread!

Avanti delay repay

elaine66

Member
Joined
2 May 2022
Messages
15
Location
London
Not really a dispute, but I'd be interested to know what people think should have happened and what I should have done.

I was supposed to be travelling from Glasgow Central to Euston on 29th April, when the west coast mainline was severely disrupted. I checked my journey a couple of hours before I was due to travel - like they tell you to - and seeing the mess on the WCML, hot-footed it straight down to Central. Avanti weren't giving any very helpful information online about my train, and I couldn't find any Avanti staff on the concourse, but I saw on Avanti's twitter that there was ticket acceptance with LNER from Edinburgh, so I decided to go that way. However, there was at that point no ticket acceptance with Scotrail for Glasgow-Edinburgh (it appeared on Avanti's twitter several hours later) so the Scotrail guys on the barrier at Central wouldn't let me through unless I bought a ticket to Edinburgh. I didn't try to raise it with Avanti online as I would have missed the Edinburgh train while waiting for their answer.

Everything else went fairly smoothly and I made it back to London only just over 20 minutes later than scheduled, albeit after having spent 6 and a half hours travelling rather than 4 and a half. I put in a delay repay claim to Avanti for a 15-29 minute delay and also wrote to their customer services to reclaim the cost of the ticket I had to buy from Glasgow to Edinburgh. They have come back with delay repay for a delay of 120+ minutes, but say that they can't refund the extra ticket cost as I've received 100% of the cost of my original ticket.

This does mean I'm getting more money in repayment than I expected, so I'm not exactly complaining, but there do seem to me to be several things wrong with this:

1. Avanti's insistence that I was delayed for 120 minutes + when I've told them twice what my actual delay was. Am I leaving myself open to a fraud claim by accepting the payout?
2. The idea that refunding me the additional costs I incurred in re-routing myself in the face of what was obviously going to be a substantial delay is somehow limited by the cost of my original ticket. Or did I not have the right to get the additional ticket cost refunded at all?
3. Should the delay repay for a 120 minute + delay on Avanti be the cost of the return ticket, not just a single leg? I was on the second of a pair of advance singles, but they were bought together in one transaction and the ticket even says Return on it.

Am I misunderstanding the position, or are Avanti? Or are we both wrong?
 
Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R

RailUK Forums

AlterEgo

Veteran Member
Joined
30 Dec 2008
Messages
20,832
Location
No longer here
1. Avanti's insistence that I was delayed for 120 minutes + when I've told them twice what my actual delay was. Am I leaving myself open to a fraud claim by accepting the payout?
No, because you told them twice how long you were delayed for, truthfully, and let them ajudicate the claim.

2. The idea that refunding me the additional costs I incurred in re-routing myself in the face of what was obviously going to be a substantial delay is somehow limited by the cost of my original ticket. Or did I not have the right to get the additional ticket cost refunded at all?
They were wrong to say this.

3. Should the delay repay for a 120 minute + delay on Avanti be the cost of the return ticket, not just a single leg? I was on the second of a pair of advance singles, but they were bought together in one transaction and the ticket even says Return on it.
Advances are sold as singles and they are not ever considered returns for the purposes of delay repay.

Am I misunderstanding the position, or are Avanti? Or are we both wrong?
Avanti have paid you more money than you were due in error, so I’d just chalk it up as a win.
 

Halwynd

Member
Joined
11 Sep 2021
Messages
266
Location
North West
I was recently in a similar situation.

I was changing at Crewe and my next train at 18:09 was cancelled. The next service at 19:09 was cancelled too. So, instead of making passengers wait for the 20:09, Avanti arranged for a normally non-stop service to call additionally to pick up. Fair play to Avanti for arranging that... past experience says it could easily have been a bus, or being told to go via Liverpool or Manchester.

Anyway, I arrived at my destination about 90 minutes late so put in a Delay Repay claim for 60-119 minutes, but Avanti paid out based on 120+ minutes. I'm guessing the Delay Repay system doesn't take into account trains stopped additionally and assumed I had to wait for the 20:09, despite me only claiming for the lesser delay.

In your case, I suspect - and others on here more knowledgable than I will hopefully correct me if I'm wrong - the Delay Repay system assumes you travelled on the first available service/route after your booked train. If I read your post correctly, you were ahead of the game, got to Central station and departed Glasgow on an earlier service which the system doesn't recognise.

All said and done, as said above, I'd forget it and chalk it up as a win.
 

Oxfordblues

Member
Joined
22 Dec 2013
Messages
678
I've never done this as I am of course scrupulously honest and have generous Travel Facilities thanks to my career on BR, but a friend has asked me about the following scenario. Would it be possible to: 1. buy an Anytime Return ticket for a journey on Avanti West Coast; 2. travel out-and-back as planned within the one-month validity; 3. check realtimetrains for that period; 4. identify any trains delayed by more than 60 minutes; and 5. claim for the supposed delays? Does the on-train ticket checking identify and record individual tickets by the train on which they were used?
 

Lucy1501

Member
Joined
9 Nov 2021
Messages
147
Location
Cumbria
I've never done this as I am of course scrupulously honest and have generous Travel Facilities thanks to my career on BR, but a friend has asked me about the following scenario. Would it be possible to: 1. buy an Anytime Return ticket for a journey on Avanti West Coast; 2. travel out-and-back as planned within the one-month validity; 3. check realtimetrains for that period; 4. identify any trains delayed by more than 60 minutes; and 5. claim for the supposed delays? Does the on-train ticket checking identify and record individual tickets by the train on which they were used?
Delay repay is an honour system for the most part, but where e-tickets are concerned the scans can be cross referenced to see what trains you actually were on. That being said, if you are always ending up on the delayed train at random times, you would be investigated. It is fraud, and I would imagine you would be finding yourself with the full force of the railway's prosecution teams after you if you even tried.
 

Haywain

Veteran Member
Joined
3 Feb 2013
Messages
15,880
I've never done this as I am of course scrupulously honest and have generous Travel Facilities thanks to my career on BR, but a friend has asked me about the following scenario. Would it be possible to: 1. buy an Anytime Return ticket for a journey on Avanti West Coast; 2. travel out-and-back as planned within the one-month validity; 3. check realtimetrains for that period; 4. identify any trains delayed by more than 60 minutes; and 5. claim for the supposed delays? Does the on-train ticket checking identify and record individual tickets by the train on which they were used?
Is it OK to commit fraud? Do you need to ask us?
 

gray1404

Established Member
Joined
3 Mar 2014
Messages
6,673
Location
Merseyside
Delay repay is based on what actually happened. The customer has to have actually been effected by the disruption in order to have a valid claim.
 

Top