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tramboy
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It’s the Hanover fitted batch, which occasionally after an update (presumably for this weekend’s changes) introduce a white line. It happened previously and they were like it for about a week whilst the issue was solved.
adrianjohnson
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It was on the 30 (Wollaton route), though it was one of the spares if I recall.
Looks like the 1 will need to be rerouted from April 14th as Fairham Road opens and Nottingham Road is closed.
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Fairham Way to become the new arterial route through Fairham
From Monday 14th April 2025, Fairham Way will open and become the main arterial road through Nottingham’s brand-new neighbourhood – Fairham.
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I was on a Blue Line E10 earlier and the LED clock behind the drivers cab was showing the wrong time - does someone have to manually go into each bus and update them when the clocks change?
That's a fine British tradition - bus/coach clocks being broken or showing a totally random time has been around forever
trentbarton have had to turn theirs off as they were showing the correct minute but completely the wrong hour!!
Leyland Bus
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If they're anything like the ones we had on the newer coaches at York Pullman, they each had to be manually adjusted using some sort of magnet gadget on a keyring... Was abit of a faff for sure...
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joieman
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I thought the route of the 1 had already been changed. Bustimes already shows buses tracking through Fairham Way (for instance, I picked the first number 1 bus I found on the map and checked the first outbound service I could find). And Bustimes also shows two bus stops at the bottom end of Fairham Way (presumably to replace those on Nottingham Road near Barton Lane).Looks like the 1 will need to be rerouted from April 14th as Fairham Road opens and Nottingham Road is closed.
Fairham Way to become the new arterial route through Fairham
From Monday 14th April 2025, Fairham Way will open and become the main arterial road through Nottingham’s brand-new neighbourhood – Fairham.
Was still fenced off on Sunday at the southern end, and the northern end was half closed off while a new crossing was being built (interestingly the road has already been widened and a new kerb line installed!)
Northern End of Fairham way at the new crossing on Sunday, no top layer on the road surface, and a notable dip where a trench is across the under construction crossing.
joieman
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Then I do wonder how the 1 is already tracking through Fairham Way before it's opened!
TR673
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I think on Bustimes.org there's a degree of the bus 'snapping to' its intended route to make up for discrepancies in the GPS data, as I've seen diverted indigos before that track part way along their normal route and then 'jump' to the diversion. So if a bus is nearby to its prescribed route but not actually on it, the tracking might show otherwise.
Mind you that's not always the case as occasionally I've seen a Stagecoach bus merrily tracking its way along a river instead of the adjacent road...
For operators using Ticketer, this ‘snapping to the route’ is a feature if the operator has what is known as ‘centreline data’ uploaded to their Ticketer portal. Unfortunately this can have some negative effects if a route is on diversion, as the tracking can become inaccurate - but on the flip side, if a vehicle is suffering from (for example) GPS drift, it can enhance the tracking that would otherwise be available, so there are positives and negatives.
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So you know the works on Maid Marion Way roundabout, would I be right in saying that as part of the ‘final design’ it is no longer feasible for multiple buses (one heading up Derby Road and one down towards the station) at the same time? Whose bright idea was that? The council really does feel surprisingly anti-bus sometimes, or at least like they don’t consider the impacts of these decisions on the buses. So now if Maid Marion northbound is congested it takes very little to get a queue of buses down Angel Row towards Beastmarket Hill.
(see new post for a better description of this)
It’s a bit like the purpose built signposted pick up/drop off layby on the Middle Hill side of Broadmarsh - why is it only the width of a bicycle and therefore impossible to use without impeding traffic on the road? It’s not even like the pavement is narrow here! https://maps.app.goo.gl/JWuomS4uWSaGmAVj6
(see new post for a better description of this)
It’s a bit like the purpose built signposted pick up/drop off layby on the Middle Hill side of Broadmarsh - why is it only the width of a bicycle and therefore impossible to use without impeding traffic on the road? It’s not even like the pavement is narrow here! https://maps.app.goo.gl/JWuomS4uWSaGmAVj6
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tram21
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Not sure I quite understand this bit, I'm sure you're right but what do you mean?
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Sorry yeah reading it back it isn’t the easiest read
So I’m referring to this junction here. This is from about 8 months ago, and as it is now the junction is changed so that instead of the right lane splitting off into the turn, it is just a straight two (quite narrow) lanes right up to the traffic lights. This makes it difficult for two parallel buses (say a 6 and a 36) to both pull off at the same time and turn left and right respectively, meaning less buses ‘get out’ each time the lights are green. If there’s northbound traffic on Maid Marion Way then buses turning right have nowhere to go and so are stuck at the lights even when on green. I hope that makes more sense.
I’d thought this was only temporary as part of the works but the way the new pavements are being built I’m starting to think that might not be the case.
What triggered the post was waiting on Maid Marion way yesterday (Saturday) afternoon for a number 6 that took seemingly forever from leaving Angel Row to getting round that corner
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I understand what you mean now, and totally agree. During the main part of the works it caused chaos with buses blocking the junction, but now it just seems a bit unhelpful.Sorry yeah reading it back it isn’t the easiest read
So I’m referring to this junction here. This is from about 8 months ago, and as it is now the junction is changed so that instead of the right lane splitting off into the turn, it is just a straight two (quite narrow) lanes right up to the traffic lights. This makes it difficult for two parallel buses (say a 6 and a 36) to both pull off at the same time and turn left and right respectively, meaning less buses ‘get out’ each time the lights are green. If there’s northbound traffic on Maid Marion Way then buses turning right have nowhere to go and so are stuck at the lights even when on green. I hope that makes more sense.
I’d thought this was only temporary as part of the works but the way the new pavements are being built I’m starting to think that might not be the case.
What triggered the post was waiting on Maid Marion way yesterday (Saturday) afternoon for a number 6 that took seemingly forever from leaving Angel Row to getting round that corner
It works okay, I guess, but could have been designed better! But yes you can't really squeeze two pretty big Biogases next to each other there, causing longer tailbacks onto Angel Row too which I've noticed happening.
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If it does turn out to be the final design it’ll really be a shame because there is room to the road wider there.
And yes on Saturday the tailback had gotten to Beastmarket Hill when I looked down from the top of St James St.
The number of Ubers/taxis/delivery drivers on Angel Row doesn’t help the situation either
Struggling to understand what you are asking - but the plans on the Transport Nottingham website show...
Upper Parliament Street (UPS) towards Maid Marion Way (MMW) - Both a dedicated Left & dedicate Right turn lane
Mount Street towards MMW- Both a dedicated Left & dedicate Right turn lane
MMW towards Derby Road & UPS - Both a dedicated straight on lane (Derby Road) and right turn lane (UPS)
Zoomed in view of the UPS / Derby Road / MMW Junction showing the dedicated lanes
and a more zoomed out plan showing Mount Street too
via https://www.transportnottingham.com/project/maid-marian-way-improvements/
Upper Parliament Street (UPS) towards Maid Marion Way (MMW) - Both a dedicated Left & dedicate Right turn lane
Mount Street towards MMW- Both a dedicated Left & dedicate Right turn lane
MMW towards Derby Road & UPS - Both a dedicated straight on lane (Derby Road) and right turn lane (UPS)
Zoomed in view of the UPS / Derby Road / MMW Junction showing the dedicated lanes
and a more zoomed out plan showing Mount Street too
via https://www.transportnottingham.com/project/maid-marian-way-improvements/
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Sorry yeah reading it back it isn’t the easiest read
So I’m referring to this junction here. This is from about 8 months ago, and as it is now the junction is changed so that instead of the right lane splitting off into the turn, it is just a straight two (quite narrow) lanes right up to the traffic lights. This makes it difficult for two parallel buses (say a 6 and a 36) to both pull off at the same time and turn left and right respectively, meaning less buses ‘get out’ each time the lights are green. If there’s northbound traffic on Maid Marion Way then buses turning right have nowhere to go and so are stuck at the lights even when on green. I hope that makes more sense.
I’d thought this was only temporary as part of the works but the way the new pavements are being built I’m starting to think that might not be the case.
What triggered the post was waiting on Maid Marion way yesterday (Saturday) afternoon for a number 6 that took seemingly forever from leaving Angel Row to getting round that corner
When the final scheme is in there will still be two lanes exiting Mount Street - albeit a bit tighter than it originally was with the new road layout.
With it being the Easter holidays, there are some lane closures back on in the area whilst it looks like the Council are trying to get things finished by the Summer deadline!
On a separate matter, I see that reading this month's "Buses" magazine that the interview with the MD says that 6 Wright Streetdecks are on order. It'll be interesting to see the fleet movements as a result of that no doubt.
tram21
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That's a big surprise, and unexpected! Can you share a photo of where it says that?
To get rid of Omnidekkas I'd imagine
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Oh that’s interesting, Streetdecks are diesel right? Electric would be electroliners? Or is the full name ‘streetdeck Electroliner?’
tram21
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I believe it's Streetdeck Electroliner.
I thought of diesels first, but you are right, they could be electrics!
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Hopefully they don’t have those dreadful London fronts. 6 is an interesting number, perfect to rid the last omnidekkas but obviously not enough to convert a route with a high PVR. I imagine they’ll be based at Trent Bridge to save electrifying PSG for such a small number of vehicles, otherwise I’d say that’d be a perfect number for the 43 (5 branded vehicles) - if for no other reason that it’s really fallen down the pecking order over the last decade
Bring the number 10 (also 5 branded vehicles) out to Trent Bridge perhaps?
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I won't share a picture, as I'd imagine the publishers would prefer you to get this month's Buses - it's on p38. I'm sure both Wrights and NCT may do some trade press to coincide with the Album conference itself perhaps, which is being held in Nottingham this year.
The interview confirms they are Cummins powered diesels, so presumably the new engine examples that have just been launched, and that they are for Pathfinder 26, which studies have shown can't yet be electrified. That would suggest they will live at Parliament Street.
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Interesting thanks for expanding on that - new buses double decks straight onto the 26 makes sense in terms of directly releasing some E400s without having to cascade and repaint etc. I guess.
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I'm surprised the news took so long to hit this thread, I read about the Streetdeck order last Saturday! It also mentions they'll include "some interesting new features for NCT that you would associate with a long-distance route", so I suppose take your guesses at what that means. It also mentions they're due near the end of 2025, so perhaps the Omnidekkas will at least be seeing the start of the 2025/6 academic year?
With six on order to replace a route with a PVR or four, I take it a couple will be spare buses? Even if the cascading effect is indirect, four E400s displaced from the 48 plus another four from the 26 would offset an equal number going onto the 4, and two Streetdeck spares could displace two more E400 spares to Trent Bridge to see off the pair of silver Omnidekkas. Something else might happen instead, but this seems like the most logical turn of events.
Hopefully the provision of the Cummins engine (presumably the 6.7 as found in the E400 MMC among others) means they'll perform decently, although obviously that's still quite a bit smaller than the 9 litre Scania engines NCT have been buying in deckers since 2003. The Cummins 6.7 is the same size as found in NCT's Solo SRs (!), though of course they'll be rated to a lower power than engines used in a double decker.
With six on order to replace a route with a PVR or four, I take it a couple will be spare buses? Even if the cascading effect is indirect, four E400s displaced from the 48 plus another four from the 26 would offset an equal number going onto the 4, and two Streetdeck spares could displace two more E400 spares to Trent Bridge to see off the pair of silver Omnidekkas. Something else might happen instead, but this seems like the most logical turn of events.
Hopefully the provision of the Cummins engine (presumably the 6.7 as found in the E400 MMC among others) means they'll perform decently, although obviously that's still quite a bit smaller than the 9 litre Scania engines NCT have been buying in deckers since 2003. The Cummins 6.7 is the same size as found in NCT's Solo SRs (!), though of course they'll be rated to a lower power than engines used in a double decker.
Omnidekkalover
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See if nct gives the 26 the harrogate bus company 36 treatment to the route
joieman
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I'd imagine they would. I doubt it would make sense for Wrightbus to continue building buses with the old front other than for loyal repeat customers.