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Chris125

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Would this solve the problem that the end-to-end journeys now seems to take longer (for whatever reason) than in class 483 days?

(genuine question, as I don’t know the answer).

Passing at Brading doesn't help, but 21st century operating practices and safety standards are the fundamental issue - Island Line before the upgrade was from a completely different era.

I see that I have become @Bletchleyite .

Oops, sorted.

The old 20-40 service did have a third path to make it 3tph, this was only used at very busy times of year.

I guess the journey times are why.

IIRC 3tph proved to be impractical after the NSE rationalisation, it wasn't reliable even with the 483s and the last attempt was abandoned due to late running.
 
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Surprised there's that much work left to do tbh, and there's more to come later this year - replacement for that badly rusted modern footbridge at St Johns, track renewal between St Johns and Esplanade and a DfT funded UTX at Brading... linespeed improvements coming?


In addition to the works at Ryde, it has been announced that additional funding from the Department for Transport means an ‘under track crossing’ is being built at Brading to enable cabling to be transferred from one side of the tracks to the other.

And it doesn’t end there… it has also been announced this week that there will be further disruption to Island Line later in 2025 when rails are replaced between Ryde Esplanade and Ryde St John’s. The footbridge at Ryde St John’s will also be replaced
 

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Surprised there's that much work left to do tbh, and there's more to come later this year - replacement for that badly rusted modern footbridge at St Johns, track renewal between St Johns and Esplanade and a DfT funded UTX at Brading... linespeed improvements coming?


They have to keep the train running…the gravy train, that is.
 

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Surprised there's that much work left to do tbh, and there's more to come later this year - replacement for that badly rusted modern footbridge at St Johns, track renewal between St Johns and Esplanade and a DfT funded UTX at Brading... linespeed improvements coming?

What is the UTX for - presumably something new or it would already exist??
Will St Johns get an accessible footbridge?
 

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Could all of this work not have been combined into one closure?

But then, why do that when there is the option of disrupting the passengers over a longer period...
 

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What is the UTX for - presumably something new or it would already exist??
Will St Johns get an accessible footbridge?

Pure speculation, but if the DfT is funding a UTX it's probably something to do with the foot crossing north of the station - closed or improved? Doubt the new St Johns footbridge will be accessible, especially if it remains in the current location.
 

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One may well ask if they considered the matter and put out a press release explaining their view.

Any press releases would consist of vague "we're improving you're railway" type of statements that give very little really information.

You'd think they could try to combine as many closures as possible into one, just to minimise the revenue loss.
 

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Could all of this work not have been combined into one closure?

But then, why do that when there is the option of disrupting the passengers over a longer period...

Available resources and CP6/CP7 funding is likely a factor, and some things can't be done concurrently like driver training and track relaying.

I've read the NR press release now about the upcoming closure and the Brading UTX has been 'brought forward due to additional funding from the DfT' - that definitely sounds more than a tidying up exercise.

The works will include:

Building a new under track crossing at Brading to safely allow essential cabling to be transferred from one side of the railway to the other, which has been brought forward thanks to additional funding from the Department for Transport
Removing all materials and the temporary buffer stops currently on Ryde Pier
Undertaking signalling testing to ensure the railway can operate safely and reliably
Completing train driver training to refresh knowledge ahead of the line opening
Following this work, the line will reopen at the start of service on Friday 2 May, four days earlier than originally planned.

[..]

Engineers will return to the line later this year to complete additional upgrades, replacing the rail between Ryde Esplanade and Ryde St Johns Road as well as the footbridge at Ryde St Johns Road. Further details about these upgrades will be announced in due course.
 

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Any press releases would consist of vague "we're improving you're railway" type of statements that give very little really information.

You'd think they could try to combine as many closures as possible into one, just to minimise the revenue loss.
AIUI they were not in a position to specify the rail pier repairs at the time the main Brading work was underway, the pier was not surveyed until some time later, and I’m sure it was always known it would happen later, but I’m sure this was discussed in an earlier thread. The basic question about why it couldn’t all be rolled up into one job keeps coming round though, I doubt it’s as simple an answer as ‘yeah, just crack on…’
 

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Notices were up at Ryde Esplanade this morning confirming that trains will start running over the whole line from start of service on May 2. There is still time to cack it up…
 

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It looks as though any hopes that we would now get the promised half-hourly service up the pier have now been finally dashed - the new timetable appears to be the same as the last pre-closure one, with basically a 40-minute service. This means that only half the trains have a decent (10-11 minute) connection with the catamaran, while for the others there will be a 26-27 minute wait. Those of us who (usually) have options when to travel can choose the crossings with the best connections, but for those who have to travel at fixed times this will be very unsatisfactory. There will be some very unhappy commuters, and more walking up and down the pier.
The only good thing about the timetable is that there is no longer the threat of an hour’s wait at Pierhead if a late-arriving cat misses the train.
 

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... and more walking up and down the pier.
At least now there's a segregated walking route along the tramway pier, no more having to dodge the traffic on the Wightlink pier.
 

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Well, the Islandline trains are running throughout, but just so that we don’t get complacent, the connecting FastCats between Pier Head and Portsmouth Harbour are cancelled until at least 10.00. Not that there appears to be anything on either the National Rail or South Western Railway sites about this.
 
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There’s a BBC article about the trains back running, makes a point about the length/quantity of the rail and sleeper renewals, but hasn't the vast majority of the work been to the pier superstructure and support legs? The intensive and complex stuff mentioned in the piece?

Also, I can’t quite figure out the track layout in the third photo in the article, have they been working on both lines?

The Isle of Wight Island Line closed in September for "intensive and complex" repair work to the Ryde Pier structure.
Network Rail said engineers had installed 590m of new rail and replace(d) 450 worn-out wooden sleepers with new composite versions, which are more resilient in extreme weather.

 

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When all works are completed and a full seasons running is timetabled, what is the expected annual total passenger footfall?

Considering the on/off closures and service reductions over the last few years, it'll be interesting to see how the line performs, passenger number wise when it settles down.
 

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Also, I can’t quite figure out the track layout in the third photo in the article, have they been working on both lines?


The third photo is taken from the east side looking north-west. They are working on the western track, which is the only track in use.

When all works are completed and a full seasons running is timetabled, what is the expected annual total passenger footfall?

Will humanity survive that long?
 

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There’s a BBC article about the trains back running, makes a point about the length/quantity of the rail and sleeper renewals, but hasn't the vast majority of the work been to the pier superstructure and support legs? The intensive and complex stuff mentioned in the piece?

Also, I can’t quite figure out the track layout in the third photo in the article, have they been working on both lines?

They've replaced the track too, makes sense to do it at the same time. The old Down line is largely untouched, aside from removing the 3rd rail.
 

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They've replaced the track too, makes sense to do it at the same time. The old Down line is largely untouched, aside from removing the 3rd rail.
Well it’s roughly a 600m pier and the BBC piece says they’ve installed 590m of new rail. Is that really correct for replacing ‘the track’ - ie both rails, or have they actually replaced 1180m of rail? These stats they publish are so often a bit suspect…
 

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Well it’s roughly a 600m pier and the BBC piece says they’ve installed 590m of new rail. Is that really correct for replacing ‘the track’ - ie both rails, or have they actually replaced 1180m of rail? These stats they publish are so often a bit suspect…

Someone just thinking rail = track probably.
 

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Why has the second track on the pier not been removed?

I would have assumed it would have been removed to save on any future maintenance.
 

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Why has the second track on the pier not been removed?

I would have assumed it would have been removed to save on any future maintenance.
I don't think it receives any maintenance, it is even out of bounds for road rail machines.

My suspicion is that the cost of removal couldn't be justified.
 

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A wicked part of me wants to say it's the second track bolted together, that's keeping the whole darn thing from falling into the Solent... ;)

Frankly, I have suspected near enough the same thing. Not actually holding it all together, but helping to keep everything square.
 

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Well, the Islandline trains are running throughout, but just so that we don’t get complacent, the connecting FastCats between Pier Head and Portsmouth Harbour are cancelled until at least 10.00. Not that there appears to be anything on either the National Rail or South Western Railway sites about this.
And for the whole of the bank holiday weekend. There's a very limited service until 18:00 using a chartered in trip boat.
 

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And for the whole of the bank holiday weekend. There's a very limited service until 18:00 using a chartered in trip boat.
The charter boat stops when the crew’s working hours run out. As it did last night, meaning that I was faced with a 2-hr wait for the car ferry to Fishbourne (though since that was running late I luckily managed to catch an earlier one, so avoiding a 3-hr late arrival home). Unlike on previous similar occasions the promised minibus connecting from Fishbourne did turn up (eventually) - arriving in Ryde just in time to see the last train of the day running rather pointlessly up the pier.
Wightlink’s second catamaran was handily tied up alongside in Portsmouth but apparently can’t be used because its engine is also broken.
Wightlink’s reliability has in recent times been much better than Red Funnel’s to Southampton (admittedly a low bar), but this failure on a Bank Holiday weekend will no doubt add to the growing political pressure to do something about our ferry links.
 

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Good to see the pier has reopened, looking forward to visiting next month.

Is the little takeaway tea/donut shop still open at Esplanade station?
 

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