Goldfish62
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Thank you very much to all those who have posted details of the 701 diagrams and services from next week.
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Class 701 'Aventra' trains for South Western Railway: progress updates
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Plus 1 on that.
TT-ONR-NRN
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Much as I loved the original Celia announcements and was gutted when they were replaced, the annoyingly soft and infantile New Celia announcements on these things are becoming a major source of irritation for me now, and I’m hoping they get Elinor installed pronto.
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A few weeks ago I was listening to an Aventra engineer talk about recent modification and testing of the passenger doors on 345s. A physical modification to the door leaves was required, in conjunction with a software tweak, due to coffee cups and other detritus getting caught and preventing the door leaves from fully closing. Particularly in the Elizabeth line core.I won't say "finally". They have been working on it since the other Aventra fleets came into service, however the 701s only started experiencing them of late. There is a fix but it isn't as simple as just implementing the same ones on all Aventra fleets. Without getting into the technical side too much, it is to do with air pressure in the system, which causes a spurious object being detected, and warmer weather will bring higher usage of air-conditioning, which builds up more air, or so I was of the understanding from my source. The previous door issues from weeks ago weren't related to this one.
There wasn’t any mention of an air systems being used for edge detection, but perhaps I don’t know the whole story.
OneTrackMinded
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I was speaking to someone the other day who actually held the opposite opinion. The reason they gave was that both old Celia and Elinior rush through what they're speaking without taking a breath which can be a bit overwhelming and isn't as nice to listen to, meanwhile new Celia does. I can see where they're coming from, but that doesn't take away from how depressing and robotic new Celia sounds.
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TT-ONR-NRN
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Typo yes, sorry.
lewisf
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Hopefully the new 701 diagrams will reduce the number of short form 4 car 455s running about on the network
NSEWonderer
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Haha yeah I've know a few to refuse taking a short formed 4 car on a Reading. Its just carnage
Peter Wilde
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Quite amusing that with news finally of a few more 701s starting to appear in service, the discussion of this over-long South Western saga has now reached page … wait for it …. 442 !!
Those were the days.
Those were the days.
NSEWonderer
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The plastic pig.
DelW
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It'll almost certainly reach 455 and 458 too, but let's hope that if it ever reaches page 701, the whole fleet is well established in service by then!
I've not been following this thread properly so I don't know if the weekend diagrams are meant to be different,
But is anything going to change on the weekends in terms of number of 701s? If so do we know which diagrams they will be operating?
But is anything going to change on the weekends in terms of number of 701s? If so do we know which diagrams they will be operating?
NSEWonderer
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10 On Saturday and 8 On Sunday, Diagram wise.
Also from the STP alterations in the schedules for next week, several of the diagrams themselves seem altered from the LTP as well as booked traction changes.
Maybe the schedule alterations aren't complete/accurate, 2H90 going on to form a Portsmouth service looks particularly unusual.
looks correct to me, 450 traction. arrives into plat 17 and forms 2P11
norbitonflyer
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could you share those diagrams?
First day of the new timetable today - only two 701s seem to be running
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SWT_USER
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Maybe not surprising today given the engineering works closing Kew Bridge/ Richmond to Clapham
norbitonflyer
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Indeed - one of them is running a Windsor via Kingston (reverse at twickenham) diagram
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I drive 345 stock. Management want (and the driving policy states) that 2 seconds is required between stopping and door release to check for the items you stated. However, it can be done perfectly safely with the clock timer on the HMI still stating 0 seconds as these can be checked before you have even stopped. There is a huge variance in the entire process of hitting a platform ramp to doors released between drivers. I've noted that 25 seconds from hitting a 10 car platform ramp to doors released is about the quickest - for some drivers this can be 1 minute.
This thread is to discuss 701 progress updates.
For 701 diagrams, please use:
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And this thread for individual unit entries to service:
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Discussion regarding @Class15's plans to avoid class 701s can be found here:
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For anything else, please create a new thread (if there isn't one already).
Thanks.
For 701 diagrams, please use:
SWR Class 701 diagrams - Spring/Summer 2025
For those wishing to catch 701s, the following departures from Waterloo should be booked 701 from the timetable change: 00:01 Strawberry Hill via Richmond 05:30 Teddington via Richmond 05:57 Shepperton via Richmond 06:00 Teddington via Richmond 06:15 Shepperton via Richmond 06:33 Windsor & Eton...
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And this thread for individual unit entries to service:
701 operation
Now that 701s have been in service for a whole year (well, one of them has.........) I thought it timely to transfer the record of which units have run, and when, to a new thread instead of having it hidden halfway down the 701 thread in the "traction" area. I little thought when I started...
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Discussion regarding @Class15's plans to avoid class 701s can be found here:
Journeys on SWR: trying to avoid 701s
Moderator note: Split from https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/class-701-aventra-trains-for-south-western-railway-progress-updates.148717/ You're very welcome and thanks much for posting. So for those wishing to catch 701s, the following departures from Waterloo should be booked 701 from the...
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For anything else, please create a new thread (if there isn't one already).
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NSEWonderer
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Starts officially on the 19th. I'll write them up if I get time, someone else might and if they do it will most likely be in: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/swr-class-701-diagrams-spring-summer-2025.286452/
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So far if nothing suddenly changes. Weekday Diagram 1 starting with 2O05 should be 701037 doing a Kingston Rounder.
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Looks like 458/5 pair is staying on the mainline side (533 on Reading + 458/4 pair for the first time 414+416), and no 701s are going to Guildford? Looks like it's rotating between Dorking and Hampton Court.
Kingston Rounder does 2 journeys in the morning then goes to Wimbledon depot.
Kingston Rounder does 2 journeys in the morning then goes to Wimbledon depot.
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NSEWonderer
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Mix of number 1 and 7 diagram. Could be Resourcing reasons.
1809 is a 701
WWTownEnth
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Disappointing turnout of 701s as far as I can see this morning
Goldfish62
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Based on today you would unfortunately appear to be correct!
Indeed the fears have been realised! I'm sure it will only be temporary (although how long is temporary...?)but that increase in 455s, plus an all day booked single 458 really isn't going please those along the Reading line, not to mention RTT also shows two short formed 450s today! I doubt these are booked though.
Phillipimo
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An increase to 7 701 units in passenger service this morning:
017, 031, 034, 036, 037, 039 & 043.
017, 031, 034, 036, 037, 039 & 043.
OneTrackMinded
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Not really, at around 8am there were 7 in service, one doing Dorking, one doing HMC, one doing the Kingston loop via Wimbledon, 2 doing Shepperton and 2 doing Windsor.
That's a big improvement from before.
norbitonflyer
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I don't think there have ever been seven in passenger service at the same time before (although we have had eight in the course of a day)
701034 was the first run of a 701 in service to/from Hampton Court.