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Hi, I experienced something that felt a little unusual the other day, and wondered if it was typical or not.

I was on a walk in the Liss area, and came to the smaller level crossing near the south part of Liss, by the A3 junction. Here's a street view link to the crossing in question https://maps.app.goo.gl/iZAhWX8VKeCtvTsg6 .

As I was walking up to the crossing the barriers came down, as you'd somewhat expect. About 10 seconds later, a Class 444 train went through the crossing at what appeared to be a very significant speed.

As someone who has used crossings before, I just wondered:

- Is it typical for there to be such short time between the barriers lowering and the train passing through at a fast speed? If a car/wheelchair got stuck between barriers, there would have been no time to report /raise the alarm. If for some reason the barrier could not have lowered at the time it was meant to (some sort of mechanical failure perhaps), would the train have been expected to be able to stop within that amount of time?
- There was no horn from the train, it felt like it just appeared "out-of-nowhere", due to the visibility being a bit reduced to the sides. Is it not required for the train to sound a horn before a crossing like this, where visibility isn't great? It may well not be, just interested!

It just all felt a bit off for some reason- is this typical of other level crossings in the area? Thanks!
 
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It's an automatic half barrier level crossing so a train arriving 10 seconds after the barriers had fully lowered is perfectly normal. If there is someone or something that is stuck on the crossing then there isn't a great deal that can be done. I believe the minimum time from when the amber light first shows to when the train passes is no less than 27 seconds.
 

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Hi, I experienced something that felt a little unusual the other day, and wondered if it was typical or not.

I was on a walk in the Liss area, and came to the smaller level crossing near the south part of Liss, by the A3 junction. Here's a street view link to the crossing in question https://maps.app.goo.gl/iZAhWX8VKeCtvTsg6 .

As I was walking up to the crossing the barriers came down, as you'd somewhat expect. About 10 seconds later, a Class 444 train went through the crossing at what appeared to be a very significant speed.

As someone who has used crossings before, I just wondered:

- Is it typical for there to be such short time between the barriers lowering and the train passing through at a fast speed? If a car/wheelchair got stuck between barriers, there would have been no time to report /raise the alarm. If for some reason the barrier could not have lowered at the time it was meant to (some sort of mechanical failure perhaps), would the train have been expected to be able to stop within that amount of time?
- There was no horn from the train, it felt like it just appeared "out-of-nowhere", due to the visibility being a bit reduced to the sides. Is it not required for the train to sound a horn before a crossing like this, where visibility isn't great? It may well not be, just interested!

It just all felt a bit off for some reason- is this typical of other level crossings in the area? Thanks!
I grew up in Liss, and it has a lot of level crossings! The automatic half-barrier crossings on Andlers Ash Road and Forest Road are certainly triggered fairly soon before the train comes, and the moment that the alarm sounds you really have to get a move on. But I always hated the non-automated pedestrian crossings (one in Mint Road and the other in Tankerdale Lane) where you just have to listen for the train (the train does hoot, and you can also hear the rails hiss before it approaches). On the other hand, the main crossing in Station Road can have you waiting ages...
 

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I believe it maybe so that local residents don’t have cars queued for a length of time, the one at Waterbeach (Cambs) is so I think
 

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The AHB crossings certainly do seem to trigger quite late, but they are within the minimum time (although I have seen the one by Liss Forest start going up before the train has finished crossing!)

The Tankerdale Lane crossing was replaced with a bridge the best part of ten years ago, but Mint Road remains rather scary with it's high line speed and location on a curve.

Station Road on the other hand can go down as the train leaves Petersfield or Liphook, I believe as a result of trains failing to stop at the station starter on several occasions in the past? It does result in the unusual case that you can occasionally get to the Station Road crossing as it's going down, and drive round to Andler's Ash to cross there before the northbound train triggers it!
 

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I know of Liss Forest Road, Andlers Ash Road and Mint Road foot crossing; I've not hung about on those. In February 2024, Andlers Ash crossing flooded; and I went to take a few shots. The short sequencing was a blighter, for getting the camera in position!

AHB crossings in Sheet (north outskirts of Petersfield) have similar timings between alarm's activation, barrier drop and passage of train.

Havant to Chichester (West Coastway) also has AHBs and a foot crossing; and Southern's non stoppers pass quite swiftly along there.
 

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- Is it typical for there to be such short time between the barriers lowering and the train passing through at a fast speed? If a car/wheelchair got stuck between barriers, there would have been no time to report /raise the alarm. If for some reason the barrier could not have lowered at the time it was meant to (some sort of mechanical failure perhaps), would the train have been expected to be able to stop within that amount of time?

Yes, entirely normal. The standard minimum time (as others have said) is from start of sequence (Amber light) to train passing as 27 seconds. Barriers will typically be fully down about 15-18 seconds before the train arrives.

If there was a fault with the crossing equipment, in almost all failure modes the barriers would not rise from the last operation (they fail down).

Finally there is always an ‘escape’ route, ie being half barriers the exit route is not barriered.

There was no horn from the train, it felt like it just appeared "out-of-nowhere", due to the visibility being a bit reduced to the sides. Is it not required for the train to sound a horn before a crossing like this, where visibility isn't great? It may well not be, just interested!

No, it is not required that trains sound their horn on approach to all level crossings. That applies at some level crossings, but they are usually very vocal complaints from neighbours. (To out it in context, I live 2 miles away from such a level crossing where hirns must be sounded, and there is a large hill and a city in between, and I can hear the horn if the wind is in the prevailing direction.)
 

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Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that all four AHB crossings between Liphook and Petersfield will be replaced imminently by CCTV-monitored full barriers controlled from Basingstoke ROC as part of the ongoing Portsmouth Direct Line resignalling scheme.
 

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Havant to Chichester (West Coastway) also has AHBs and a foot crossing; and Southern's non stoppers pass quite swiftly along there.

All a stark contrast with the two full barrier crossings between Havant and Warblington which can at times be down 5 or more minutes before a train passes (or stay down between trains).
 

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All a stark contrast with the two full barrier crossings between Havant and Warblington which can at times be down 5 or more minutes before a train passes (or stay down between trains).
…have been stuck at Warblington for 20+ minutes in the past.
 

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…have been stuck at Warblington for 20+ minutes in the past.

Ouch, at times I have seen traffic queuing back to the Emsworth turn off from the A27.

My personal low was the traffic not moving in my direction when the barriers did eventually open, presumably due to someone trying to turn right, until they had come down again.

The promised footbridge would be helpful but the money was diverted to repair the one just West of Havant Station.
 

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The promised footbridge would be helpful but the money was diverted to repair the one just West of Havant Station.
The LSWR era bridge at Bedhampton West Street really was in desperate need of renovation, to make the steps safe and mitigate the encroaching corrosion.
The work proved far more extensive than NR envisaged. The work took just over a year. It's now finished, it looks splendid, it is finally safe again.
There's a (closed) thread on this forum.

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that all four AHB crossings between Liphook and Petersfield will be replaced imminently by CCTV-monitored full barriers controlled from Basingstoke ROC as part of the ongoing Portsmouth Direct Line resignalling scheme.
Do you know the timescale for that work @D6130 ? Is it 2025 or later? I'll make plans to get photos at those AHBs.
 
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Do you know the timescale for that work @D6130 ? Is it 2025 or later? I'll make plans to get photos at those AHBs.
Don't know for sure as I live a long way away these days, although I still have friends in Petersfield. Going by what I've read on the Forums - and I believe there's a thread on here about it - the Farncombe-Petersfield resignalling has become a never-ending story. Maybe this year.....maybe next?

(PS. Hate to be a party pooper, but I think you'll find that the footbridge at Bedhampton is of LBSCR design rather than LSWR. Following the opening of the direct line from Farncombe to Havant in 1859, the latter had running powers of the former's track from Havant to Portcreek Junction. ;) )
 

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(PS. Hate to be a party pooper, but I think you'll find that the footbridge at Bedhampton is of LBSCR design rather than LSWR. Following the opening of the direct line from Farncombe to Havant in 1859, the latter had running powers of the former's track from Havant to Portcreek Junction. ;) )
Thanks for correcting my Railway Mania historical booboo! :D
Hope the Italian residency is all good. :)
 

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Do you know the timescale for that work D6130? Is it 2025 or later? I'll make plans to get photos at those AHBs.

Don't know for sure as I live a long way away these days, although I still have friends in Petersfield. Going by what I've read on the Forums - and I believe there's a thread on here about it - the Farncombe-Petersfield resignalling has become a never-ending story. Maybe this year.....maybe next?
Current plan for the resignalling is by the end of 2025 as I understand it - although as it's already a few years overdue who knows...
 

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Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that all four AHB crossings between Liphook and Petersfield will be replaced imminently by CCTV-monitored full barriers controlled from Basingstoke ROC as part of the ongoing Portsmouth Direct Line resignalling scheme.
I assume this will lead to much longer barrier down times and much angst from the locals?
 

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Current plan for the resignalling is by the end of 2025 as I understand it - although as it's already a few years overdue who knows...
Yes, it was Nov 2025 suggested a few weeks ago in the thread here:
and same date in this thread:

It‘s odd how the project generated loads of short threads, and you can’t really pin the discussions down to one place…
 

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On a recent visit to the Petersfield area, lots of bagged up signals were in place, including a gantry at Haslemere so changeover must be coming soon - autumn?
I can't pin down definite dates, but I'd say some of the bagged signals along the Direct have been there for a couple of years now ... IIRC there were week long possessions at least back to 2023.
 

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The July 2024 edition of Network Rail’s Compendium of Signal Box Opening Times, the most recent that I can find, says November this year is when the three boxes should close. But considering how many delays there have been, I won’t be putting even a bent ha’penny on it.
 

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I can't pin down definite dates, but I'd say some of the bagged signals along the Direct have been there for a couple of years now ... IIRC there were week long possessions at least back to 2023.

February/October half term closures were a regular enough occurrence a year or two before that as I recall.

Fortunately the closure of the Guildford tunnel around Easter 2020 ended up not impacting upon my then commute For hopefully obvious reasons.

With a few scaffold poles....

Well worth it then.

The lack of a footbridge does making using trying to use platform on the opposite side of the track somewhat of a calculated risk as I have known people miss trains because the barriers came down earlier than expected.
 

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The lack of a footbridge does making using trying to use platform on the opposite side of the track somewhat of a calculated risk as I have known people miss trains because the barriers came down earlier than expected.
Yep, this was the usual sight for a whole year...
 

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