Merseyrail Class 777 introduction updates

185 · 20 Apr 2025

507 001 said:
Wrong side releases are also fairly common on Metrolink, unfortunately.

I've always said that silly side selector switch used on Metrolink was a retrograde step - should have gone when the T68s were being replaced. Couple of wrongsides I've seen at Shudehill with it being left in situ from Market St.

Ergonomically, two buttons left, two buttons right that you have to slightly turn to press is the only reliable solution to mitigate this. Can't believe ORR & the RSSB signs off some of the junk getting imported at the moment.

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507 001 · 20 Apr 2025

185 said:
I've always said that silly side selector switch used on Metrolink was a retrograde step - should have gone when the T68s were being replaced. Couple of wrongsides I've seen at Shudehill with it being left in situ from Market St.

Ergonomically, two buttons left, two buttons right that you have to slightly turn to press is the only reliable solution to mitigate this. Can't believe ORR & the RSSB signs off some of the junk getting imported at the moment.

Whilst I agree, you can’t actually do what you’ve suggested there.

An M5000 will not release its brakes with the door selector switch set to anything other than ‘drive’. You can’t just set it and forget it.

185 · 20 Apr 2025

507 001 said:
An M5000 will not release its brakes with the door selector switch set to anything other than ‘drive’. You can’t just set it and forget it.

Ah... I seem to remember it was in their investigation that said it was due to Market St being right h/s, that's why it was also set to right - presumably driver responsible repeated the action from the last stop causing it. Were the T68s the same?

507 001 · 20 Apr 2025

185 said:
Ah... I seem to remember it was in their investigation that said it was due to Market St being right h/s, that's why it was also set to right - presumably driver responsible repeated the action from the last stop causing it. Were the T68s the same?

Yeah that’ll be it, just repeating the same actions. It’s the same reason why Besses and Cornbrook inbound are quite risky stations, everything has been on the left up until that point…

68s had separate controls for each side.

bahnause · 20 Apr 2025

A simple solution: Three buttons on one side. Release left - close - release right. Really easy to use, great tactile feedback, only one hand needed.

507 001 · 20 Apr 2025

bahnause said:
A simple solution: Three buttons on one side. Release left - close - release right. Really easy to use, great tactile feedback, only one hand needed.

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Christ no, that’s a recipe for wrong side releases.

Door release needs to be a deliberate action and should be physically on the side of the desk that you’re releasing the doors on.

bahnause · 20 Apr 2025

507 001 said:
Christ no, that’s a recipe for wrong side releases.

Door release needs to be a deliberate action and should be physically on the side of the desk that you’re releasing the doors on.

But it is not. That's why we hardly ever have such cases, even though we don't have any technical safety measures in place. tThis over-engineered ‘two buttons on two different sides’ only distracts from the actual (simple) task at hand.
Numerous UX designs are based on the principle of simplicity in order to avoid unnecessary actions or distractions. The design of the buttons themselves already protects against accidental actuation. Normal procedures should not require two-button operation. A large number of buttons, switches or levers in a bab can create a dangerous situation. However, it does not make sense to safeguard all these functions.

507 001 · 20 Apr 2025

bahnause said:
But it is not. That's why we hardly ever have such cases, even though we don't have any technical safety measures in place. tThis over-engineered ‘two buttons on two different sides’ only distracts from the actual (simple) task at hand.
Numerous UX designs are based on the principle of simplicity in order to avoid unnecessary actions or distractions. The design of the buttons themselves already protects against accidental actuation. Normal procedures should not require two-button operation. A large number of buttons, switches or levers in a bab can create a dangerous situation. However, it does not make sense to safeguard all these functions.

It absolutely is.

Metrolink M5000s have a similar set up to what you have posted and we have our fair share of wrong side releases.

M60lad · 21 Apr 2025

Regarding Metrolink wrong side releases I had one once when leaving Piccadilly Station going towards Piccadilly Gardens, ended up with the set being took out of service at Piccadilly Gardens if I remember rightly.

Prime586 · 25 Apr 2025

The Class 555s were all taken out of service on the T&W Metro a couple of days ago due to a 'dispatch issue', which seems to be the same 'wrong side door release' issue the 777s were having which resulted in the door pre-arm feature being disabled. The local press up there has got hold of it, and there's a bit of a disgreement between Nexus and Stadler over who is to blame.

M28361M · 4 May 2025

Hunts Cross is now showing on Realtime Trains as connected to Ormskirk until 1st August. It had previously been showing as reverting to Southport around the beginning of June but STP paths have been put in for June and July now. I'm guessing the SDO at Cressington is still not working then?

That would be nearly a year of a "temporary" timetable change to accommodate the new units. I do wonder if they are just going to throw up their hands, admit they can't get the SDO to work and make it permanent, with 4 cars all day on Ormskirk-Hunts Cross?

jamesst · 4 May 2025

M28361M said:
Hunts Cross is now showing on Realtime Trains as connected to Ormskirk until 1st August. It had previously been showing as reverting to Southport around the beginning of June but STP paths have been put in for June and July now. I'm guessing the SDO at Cressington is still not working then?

That would be nearly a year of a "temporary" timetable change to accommodate the new units. I do wonder if they are just going to throw up their hands, admit they can't get the SDO to work and make it permanent, with 4 cars all day on Ormskirk-Hunts Cross?

Nope, it's pretty much sorted. Just need to get the drivers trained up on it then the timetable will change.

MR-507508 · 4 May 2025

jamesst said:
Nope, it's pretty much sorted. Just need to get the drivers trained up on it then the timetable will change.

Is this the reason for the following paths to and from Kirkdale C.S. Mon-Sat?

M28361M · 5 May 2025

jamesst said:
Nope, it's pretty much sorted. Just need to get the drivers trained up on it then the timetable will change.

That is good news. Thanks for the update.

Just noticed there are some 5xxx paths running between Kirkdale and Hunts Cross in the early hours of 5th May too.

jamesst · 5 May 2025

MR-507508 said:
Is this the reason for the following paths to and from Kirkdale C.S. Mon-Sat?

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Yep

507016 · 26 May 2025

8 cars seem to be running again on the ormskirks today following the Liverpool 60 parade

MR-507508 · 26 May 2025

507016 said:
8 cars seem to be running again on the ormskirks today following the Liverpool 60 parade

2 out of the 8 diagrams are formed of 8 cars on the Ormskirk/Hunts Cross lines today. All 8 Southport diagrams are 8 cars as well. I count a total of 49 units in service today. 3 units remain at Kirkdale depot (777004, 777140 & 777152) and 1 unit stabled at Rock Ferry (777037) on platform 3 (possibly for a unit swap?).

childwallblues · 26 May 2025

According to a friend of mine he was at Liverpool South Parkway today and saw 777004 + 777035 operating an eight car HNX-OMS service. I was not aware that 777004 had returned to service.

MR-507508 · 26 May 2025

childwallblues said:
According to a friend of mine he was at Liverpool South Parkway today and saw 777004 + 777035 operating an eight car HNX-OMS service. I was not aware that 777004 had returned to service.

It was 777010 coupled to 035. I was on this 8 car earlier today.

Liverpool 507 · 26 May 2025

MR-507508 said:
2 out of the 8 diagrams are formed of 8 cars on the Ormskirk/Hunts Cross lines today. All 8 Southport diagrams are 8 cars as well. I count a total of 49 units in service today. 3 units remain at Kirkdale depot (777004, 777140 & 777152) and 1 unit stabled at Rock Ferry (777037) on platform 3 (possibly for a unit swap?).

777037 came in to service on short notice Rock Ferry shuttles before the service wound down to 4 vice 6 tph between Liverpool and Hooton.

Quote me unless I’m wrong, a good day for 777 performance.

507016 · 27 May 2025

777018s middle motor has gotten quite loud recently, maybe these units might not sound as bad as i thought

childwallblues · 27 May 2025

MR-507508 said:
It was 777010 coupled to 035. I was on this 8 car earlier today.

Thanks. I will inorm my friend of his error.

HJ10001 · 27 May 2025

So 8 car 777's are now running between Liverpool Central and Hunts Cross.

390112A · 27 May 2025

Liverpool 507 said:
777037 came in to service on short notice Rock Ferry shuttles before the service wound down to 4 vice 6 tph between Liverpool and Hooton.

Quote me unless I’m wrong, a good day for 777 performance.

Yes a very good day, 51 units were available for service with 50 used during the day. With no withdrawals from service.
This is out of 53 total units.

HJ10001 said:
So 8 car 777's are now running between Liverpool Central and Hunts Cross.

During recent special events such as this weekend 8 car trains have been running between Central and Hunts Cross.
This has been allowed as 8 car services have been either skipping Cressington (during Aintree) or in the case of yesterday Cressington station was closed.

ASDO 8 car tests are currently taking place on the line.

TheSel · 28 May 2025

Not a good day today. 777049 failed at Cressington this afternoon, reportedly with a hot axle box. Crawled to Hunts Cross, to be left in the headshunt beyond the platform. Following 777150 terminated and set back from Liverpool South Parkway, vice Hunts Cross.

Now the under river sections of the Wirral lines are at a stand, reportedly due to a fire. Rail Replacement Buses summoned to operate Moorfields to Birkenhead North / Central (as appropriate) where rail services are being turned back.

Lots of confusion at Liverpool Central, where Wirral line passengers are being directed to Northern Line for the trip to Moorfields for the RRBs.

Sam 76 · 28 May 2025

TheSel said:
Not a good day today. 777049 failed at Cressington this afternoon, reportedly with a hot axle box. Crawled to Hunts Cross, to be left in the headshunt beyond the platform. Following 777150 terminated and set back from Liverpool South Parkway, vice Hunts Cross.

Now the under river sections of the Wirral lines are at a stand, reportedly due to a fire. Rail Replacement Buses summoned to operate Moorfields to Birkenhead North / Central (as appropriate) where rail services are being turned back.

Lots of confusion at Liverpool Central, where Wirral line passengers are being directed to Northern Line for the trip to Moorfields for the RRBs.

Good news regarding 777049. It was working 2U60 earlier so recovered from whatever overheating issue it had

alavery04 · 11 Jun 2025

Really random question but google is useless, what are the weird triangle things running along the sides of the train? I’ve been wondering it for ages, is it purely cosmetic, something to do with the loading gauge, accessibility? Who knows .

Skie · 11 Jun 2025

alavery04 said:
Really random question but google is useless, what are the weird triangle things running along the sides of the train? I’ve been wondering it for ages, is it purely cosmetic, something to do with the loading gauge, accessibility? Who knows .

They’re to help avoid passengers falling between the train and the platform. Was one of the recommendations following the James Street fatality

tfw756rider · 11 Jun 2025

alavery04 said:
Really random question but google is useless, what are the weird triangle things running along the sides of the train? I’ve been wondering it for ages, is it purely cosmetic, something to do with the loading gauge, accessibility? Who knows .

What wierd triangle things? I can't really see anything, do you have a higher quality / more close-up photo?

barbette165 · 11 Jun 2025

tfw756rider said:
What wierd triangle things? I can't really see anything, do you have a higher quality / more close-up photo?

The ‘planks’/‘rails’ that have a triangular profile and run along the length of the train at about platform level.

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