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NRW/Koln for a few days

mrmartin

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Hi,

Going to Koln for a few days on Sunday. Any good idea for tickets for me and my partner? We'll need to get to/from Koln to the airport (and back) and want to go to Bonn for a day. Potentially Dusseldorf too. We'll be in the area for 5 days total.

I was thinking of using this https://www.vrr.de/de/tickets-tarife/eezy-nrw/

If I read this right we can use unlimited everything for a €58/person maximum per month? Is this available to tourists?
 
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The Deutschlandticket costs 58 Euro per month, but it's designed as a subscription so it automatically renews at the end of the month unless cancelled before the 10th of the current month.

As the 10/5 has already passed if you buy now for May you would also have to pay for June.

( There have been some reports of transport authorities allowing D tickets to be cancelled up to the end of the month. I'm general there has been a tightening up recently on the conditions around the sale of Deutschlandtickets.)

It may be better to look at local day tickets.

Also there has been major construction going on on the DB network south of Cologne and if seen a lot of media headlines about a lot of train cancellations in the area between Cologne and Frankfurt.

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I looked in a bit more detail and now realise that the 58 EUR is a cap so the auto renewal issue wouldn't arise.

It seems to be like Oyster in London in that they charge for individual journeys up to a daily/weekly cap. In this case they've a monthly cap.

It actually sounds like this might be quite good for your requirement.
 
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rvdborgt

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( There have been some reports of transport authorities allowing D tickets to be cancelled up to the end of the month. I'm general there has been a tightening up recently on the conditions around the sale of Deutschlandtickets.)
Mopla still offer cancelling until 1 day before the end of the month:
 

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Köln/Cologne (passed by there yesterday-with big problems on trip from there) is in the VRS (Rhein/Sieg) Verbund, whereas Düsseldorf is in the VRR= Rhein/Ruhr. So to visit the 2 in 1 day means a ticket for a larger area- in this case NRW=the Land=province, only valid from 9.00 on mo-fr.
It depends if you really want to save the very last €, are willing to take more troubles (used to those over complicated german ticket machines?) or rather go for take it easy. And also if you are with someone else and will travel all trips together.
That DE-ticket (I use it since march about 3-4 x a month from mo-pla as its the easiest to passby the otherwise creditrating which germans are unable to do in general for foreign bankaccounts) and did not note any real tightening of conditions at all) is strictly personal=that means x2 with a partner. It is simply a one price for the whole month and is NOT capped or the like. One can even still start it for the current month on mo.pla whilst that is underway-other providers also want you to decide that before the 10th for the month coming up. Mo.pla as I noted on my last trip is in fact also used by a few much smaller east-german local systems who avoid then a costly set-up to maintain their own app and all that. I have no complaints about it -other as the ARRIVA gimble app which I also have used before. Just show ticket on fone (QR-code) when asked for or in some areas when boarding buses-Not in Köln- I had just 1 check yesterday for using 6 trains and 2 buses (as bypass for a city where all trains were cancelled) for some 500+ KMs.
It used to be that the HVV=Hamburg Verbund had a lower price for latter parts of the month IF very smartly ordered and cancelled, but from some reports I gather this has about ceased now.
Daytickets mostly have a much smaller add-on for the 2nd/3d etc. person, but as I just checked NOT in VRS only! The price will also vary with area paid for-Köln city is 9€ for 1 person, 24 hrs, incl.airport, or 18,20 for small groups till max 5 persons-so no saving for just 2 persons.
There is also-for fone-fanatics, a system NRW wide called eezy.nrw that charges by distance for all trips which you activate in your app on that fone. That may have a cap for the total but again its personal and no lower price for partner. I am not very familiar with such systems, so not info from me.
So: in short: for just 4-5 days and for half of that IN the city, a DE-ticket is not cost-effective, but does save a lot of possible complications and searches.
PS-if looking for hotels with an GB-style brekkie: Premier hotels are now also in Germany, I saw one in Köln too yesterday, but in general Kóln is not a cheap city for hotels.
 

mrmartin

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Köln/Cologne (passed by there yesterday-with big problems on trip from there) is in the VRS (Rhein/Sieg) Verbund, whereas Düsseldorf is in the VRR= Rhein/Ruhr. So to visit the 2 in 1 day means a ticket for a larger area- in this case NRW=the Land=province, only valid from 9.00 on mo-fr.
It depends if you really want to save the very last €, are willing to take more troubles (used to those over complicated german ticket machines?) or rather go for take it easy. And also if you are with someone else and will travel all trips together.
That DE-ticket (I use it since march about 3-4 x a month from mo-pla as its the easiest to passby the otherwise creditrating which germans are unable to do in general for foreign bankaccounts) and did not note any real tightening of conditions at all) is strictly personal=that means x2 with a partner. It is simply a one price for the whole month and is NOT capped or the like. One can even still start it for the current month on mo.pla whilst that is underway-other providers also want you to decide that before the 10th for the month coming up. Mo.pla as I noted on my last trip is in fact also used by a few much smaller east-german local systems who avoid then a costly set-up to maintain their own app and all that. I have no complaints about it -other as the ARRIVA gimble app which I also have used before. Just show ticket on fone (QR-code) when asked for or in some areas when boarding buses-Not in Köln- I had just 1 check yesterday for using 6 trains and 2 buses (as bypass for a city where all trains were cancelled) for some 500+ KMs.
It used to be that the HVV=Hamburg Verbund had a lower price for latter parts of the month IF very smartly ordered and cancelled, but from some reports I gather this has about ceased now.
Daytickets mostly have a much smaller add-on for the 2nd/3d etc. person, but as I just checked NOT in VRS only! The price will also vary with area paid for-Köln city is 9€ for 1 person, 24 hrs, incl.airport, or 18,20 for small groups till max 5 persons-so no saving for just 2 persons.
There is also-for fone-fanatics, a system NRW wide called eezy.nrw that charges by distance for all trips which you activate in your app on that fone. That may have a cap for the total but again its personal and no lower price for partner. I am not very familiar with such systems, so not info from me.
So: in short: for just 4-5 days and for half of that IN the city, a DE-ticket is not cost-effective, but does save a lot of possible complications and searches.
PS-if looking for hotels with an GB-style brekkie: Premier hotels are now also in Germany, I saw one in Köln too yesterday, but in general Kóln is not a cheap city for hotels.
I've got the eezy.nrw app setup for me and my partner and we'll try that. It seems to be the best option vs getting a deutschland ticket, as if we don't take enough trips to hit the 58eur cap we save money. It also seems to basically work on the basis of a 1.70eur 'base fare' which is valid for 7 hours - i think, then you just pay per km on top of that (in a straight line distance?). I'm not entirely sure how much 'longer distance' travel we'll do, so if we stay more in koln then i doubt we will hit the 58eur cap.

Thanks for your reply. Yes I'm aware of Premier Inn in Germany. We also have a lot of motel ones now in the UK, seems to be some serious UK-German competition of chain budget hotel brands :).

Actually booked what looks like a nice hotel for not ridiculously expensive money. Perhaps just conditioned to london pricing now though so everything seems cheap :).
 

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However eezy is only in NRW for local transport and it will drain your phone battery.

Even if you reach the cap, you can’t use it outside NRW.
 

mrmartin

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Yes I'm not planning to go outside NRW

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Ok; don't use the Eezy system. Firstly it takes €10 for every check in which takes a while to get refunded (days) - instead of a TfL like system where it takes 10p authorisation then adjusts the amount at the end of the day. This is a problem if you do a lot of short journeys in the same day, probably going to end up with 200eur of pending charges at this rate. If you were on a budget this would be a problem.

Bigger problem though is my partners app has stopped working on check in - it takes the money, says it can't check in with an obscure error code then refunds the money (instantly at least) and absolutely noone knows who to go to to try and fix it. I've sent an email but doubt I'll get a reply while I'm on the trip. It's an issue because we were getting somewhat close to the 58eur cap and are now going to be out of pocket.
 
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Bigger problem though is my partners app has stopped working on check in - it takes the money, says it can't check in with an obscure error code then refunds the money (instantly at least) and absolutely noone knows who to go to to try and fix it. I've sent an email but doubt I'll get a reply while I'm on the trip. It's an issue because we were getting somewhat close to the 58eur cap and are now going to be out of pocket.
If you can't get this solved, then submit your complaint to the arbitration board here:
 

mrmartin

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Will see if it 'resets' itself overnight. Also wrote an email to their app support but I doubt we'll get a response in time.

Tried the DB ticket office at Köln Hbf, they said they couldn't do anything (even though we registered the "profile" with DB - I think), sent us to the Transdev office and the guy there was completely stumped and had no idea what to do. Didn't have a clue how to even escalate it.
 

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