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Alexander Dennis proposes plant shutdowns

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NFI Subsidiary Alexander Dennis announces consultation on UK manufacturing strategy


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LARBERT, United Kingdom, June 11, 2025 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- (TSX: NFI, OTC: NFYEF, TSX: NFI.DB) NFI Group Inc. (NFI) a leader in propulsion-agnostic bus and coach mobility solutions, announced today that its subsidiary, Alexander Dennis Limited (Alexander Dennis), is entering into a consultation on a new strategy for its United Kingdom (UK) manufacturing operations. The refocused strategy results from the completion of a detailed business review and is intended to adjust the UK business to changing market dynamics.


Under the consultation, Alexander Dennis will look at consolidating its UK bus body manufacturing operations into a single site in Scarborough, England. Its Scottish based manufacturing in Falkirk, which has already been reduced in recent years, would be discontinued and the site closed. Production lines at Larbert would be suspended upon the completion of current contracts.

This proposed structure will lower overall costs, deliver clearer responsibilities and increase efficiency by removing duplicate functions and activities.


The statutory consultation places up to 400 roles at Alexander Dennis at potential risk of redundancy. This represents approximately 22% of Alexander Dennis’ workforce and 4% of NFI’s global workforce. The company expects a follow-on impact in its domestic supply chain, where it has spent over £1bn in the last five years with its 1,000 suppliers in all parts of the UK.

Alongside the new manufacturing strategy, Alexander Dennis is making changes to the structure and management of key customer support teams to drive a clearer focus on quality and reliability, delivery to targets, and communications.


Paul Davies, Alexander Dennis President & Managing Director, said: “We are proposing a new UK manufacturing strategy to underpin financial sustainability and lower operating costs in the face of changing and challenging market dynamics. Together with our parent NFI Group, we are extremely proud of our UK history and legacy dating back to 1895 and firmly believe in our people, products and business. We must take significant action to drive efficiency to allow our operating model to be competitive.


“It is extremely regrettable that as part of this, we must place jobs at potential risk of redundancy and propose to cease manufacturing operations at some of our facilities. While stakeholders have been sympathetic of the situation, the stark reality is that current UK policy does not allow for the incentivization or reward of local content, job retention and creation, nor does it encourage any domestic economic benefit. We have warned of the competitive imbalance for some time and would like to see policy and legislative changes that incentivize the delivery of local benefit where taxpayer money is invested. We strongly believe funding that supports public transport should lead to investment in local jobs, domestic supply chains, technology creation and a recurrent tax base.”
 
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"We strongly believe funding that supports public transport should lead to investment in local jobs, domestic supply chains, technology creation and a recurrent tax base.”

Which rings hollow a bit when ADL themselves are having the E100EV at least built in China...
 

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NFI Subsidiary Alexander Dennis announces consultation on UK manufacturing strategy

Hell of a blow to Larbert, and a shame to see a long tradition ending but not a complete surprise as NFI's press releases for years now have been downbeat with very much a victim mentality to them as present here.

They don't have to look back far to when they were watching their major competitor (Wright) implode.

Now they find themselves with a smaller, less mature product line than them. I dare say a shorter order book too going by this.

Can't help but conclude they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
 

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From the BBC:

Up to 400 jobs are at risk after a bus manufacturer announced plans to move operations to England.

Alexander Dennis, which has factories in Falkirk and Larbert, has said it is considering moving all operations to a site in Scarborough.

The plans would see work at the Falkirk site discontinued, while the Larbert site would be closed after current contracts are completed.

 

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From the BBC:

“Up to 400 jobs are at risk after a bus manufacturer announced plans to move operations to England.

Alexander Dennis, which has factories in Falkirk and Larbert, has said it is considering moving all operations to a site in Scarborough.

The plans would see work at the Falkirk site discontinued, while the Larbert site would be closed after current contracts are completed.”

This will only push more people away from them, the lead times for the electrics are already long so this will make it worse, surly the better solution would be to increase Falkirk to be pure EV (if not already), have the Larbert site for the remaining diesel orders they have/will take along side having that as a place for small order EV's (5 singles for a independent for example) then have Scarborough back to coaches with investment in new coaches to meet the needs of what people need and then maybe have that also as dealer speck buses - This being based off just a thought unsure if that maybe if part of they do now
 

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I guess the argument is very much that orders simply do not justify having so many plants. Rationalising it down to one large plant in this era does make a lot of sense, regrettably.

Logistically Scarborough probably serves the market the best, with most of the stock being for England ultimately.

This was bound to happen with the growing competition from China. A real kick in the teeth to the ADL workforce though.
 

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ADL really need to take a long hard look in the mirror and see the bigger picture as far I'm concerned. Falkirk is their legacy and heritage, closing it down is absolutely bonkers. Lead times for buses as previously mentioned is only going to drive customers to Chinese manufacturers or Wrightbus. Plaxton has been long doormant so I feel it is missing a trick not offering Plaxton Products again at the Scarborough plant.
 

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This will only push more people away from them, the lead times for the electrics are already long so this will make it worse, surly the better solution would be to increase Falkirk to be pure EV (if not already), have the Larbert site for the remaining diesel orders they have/will take along side having that as a place for small order EV's (5 singles for a independent for example) then have Scarborough back to coaches with investment in new coaches to meet the needs of what people need and then maybe have that also as dealer speck buses - This being based off just a thought unsure if that maybe if part of they do now
Presumably Scarborough is the site with the most infrastructure in place for the future so even if all 3 sites were to remain open it would be absolutely disastrous to use the biggest site for the nichest work.
 

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This is a real shame but I can understand the desire to consolidate into a single location but hope that there is potential for expansion in Scarborough
 

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112 years since Alexanders' Motor Services started running services from Camelon, and it's honestly quite a sad end to a long history of ADL and its many predecessors being in Camelon, and Scottish bus manufacturing in general.
 

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The Falkirk plant needs a considerable amount spending on it though. It's a large site with various bits added on over the years and I believe it requires a new roof at the very least. I'm surprised that they propose to close Larbert though after investing in the site.

I think the separate coach chassis/coach body vehicle is a dying breed. The two biggest sellers are the Merc Tourismo and Yutong GT, both integral of course, with Volvo offering their own bodywork too obviously .The days of offering coach bodies on six or seven different chassis makes are long gone.
 

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ADL really need to take a long hard look in the mirror and see the bigger picture as far I'm concerned. Falkirk is their legacy and heritage, closing it down is absolutely bonkers.

A company that only looks to its past and not to its future, is one that is destined to wither and die.
 

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"We strongly believe funding that supports public transport should lead to investment in local jobs, domestic supply chains, technology creation and a recurrent tax base.”

Which rings hollow a bit when ADL themselves are having the E100EV at least built in China...
But I think they are only doing what they have to do to preserve some manufacturing capacity. What I take from the NFI statement is that they believe that, if the Government is providing funding for electric buses, they should be restricted to only being able to buy from British manufacturers. Which I find hard to argue against - why should taxpayers money enrich China?
 

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Feel very, very sorry for the workers and their families. Coming hard on the heels of the closure of Grangemouth just a few miles away this will be devastating for the community and future prospects.

Will be corrected by those with more insights than me, but it seems ever since they were bought out by their Canadian parent company things have gone backwards.

The break from BYD, the opting out of coach building and the embarrassment of a progression of buses being sent back from Glasgow for in warranty repairs, plus long lead times for their new products… Add to that stiff price competition from Chinese manufacturers subsidised by government. and I believe even Wrights were given UK government money when Johnston was PM around the time of NI Brexit concerns.. And purely a coincidence that Johnston’s party were receiving donations from the JCB family over the preceding years!

Very sad end to bus manufacturing in Scotland but all the traditionally loyal buyers even in ADLs own back yard have effectively abandoned them - Glasgow, Aberdeen, Edinburgh, McGills across Scotland including ADL towns of Falkirk and Larbert, just to run salt into the wound. Once the dominant bus builder in the UK has clearly lost its way and consolidating in Scarborough, in itself, won’t solve all their problems.A company very much in retreat right now.
 

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I think the separate coach chassis/coach body vehicle is a dying breed. The two biggest sellers are the Merc Tourismo and Yutong GT, both integral of course, with Volvo offering their own bodywork too obviously .The days of offering coach bodies on six or seven different chassis makes are long gone.
That rather suggests that perhaps the market has essentially split into two broad factions, those who desire an upmarket product opting for the Merc and those who want value buying Chinese. A few loyal customers still opting for Volvo, and presumably Scania/Irizar still sell in half decent volumes, but there isn’t much else out there these days it seems.

It’d be nice to see Plaxton back on the playing field but the real-world prognosis isn’t good. Unless ADL could come up with a electric integral coach of their own to compete in that emerging market - and I strongly suspect that would be significantly beyond their current design budgets - it’s difficult to see where the future of Plaxton may lie. And indeed the future of ADL as a whole looks rather bleak as well.
 

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One factor might be that for deliveries to England of electric vehicles the distance must be often greater than the range of the batteries, requiring long stops en-route for recharging.
 

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What I take from the NFI statement is that they believe that, if the Government is providing funding for electric buses, they should be restricted to only being able to buy from British manufacturers. Which I find hard to argue against - why should taxpayers money enrich China?
Restricting operators to purchasing what are quite frankly inferior vehicles plagued with issues from new is not a great idea in my opinion. Our Yutongs here in Chesterfield are phenomenal vehicles; they perform much better than our ADL Enviro400EVs in many aspects. ADL and other British manufacturers should be seeing this as a wake-up call to start producing better vehicles. I think Nottingham City Transport sum it up well:
NCT has a long track record of supporting bus building in the UK, although many are now owned by international companies. Our bio-gas buses were assembled and bodied in the UK, but their chassis was manufactured overseas.

We undertook a rigorous public procurement process and operational trial of many electric buses. Some of those bus trials were disappointing and the buses just didn't meet our needs and would likely have required more buses than we actually needed, as we'd have to swap and charge them during the day.

Yutong Bus & Coach were the clear winner, with tried and tested buses that are superior in terms of space and comfort for passengers, with air conditioning as standard. Their buses can do a full days' operation on a single, overnight charge and come with advanced battery technology and safety systems.

In today's global market, buying only British is increasingly difficult as components and parts for buses come from all over the world. Other UK based manufacturers, for example, who participated in our procurement process partner with other Chinese bus manufacturers for large parts of the vehicle, primarily the battery and electrics.

Our electric buses support British jobs at Pelican Bus & Coach, who add about 40% of the value of the buses when finishing them to NCT's specification at their factory in Yorkshire. Pelican have expanded in recent years because of the volume of buses and coaches they are importing.
 

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Restricting operators to purchasing what are quite frankly inferior vehicles plagued with issues from new is not a great idea in my opinion. Our Yutongs here in Chesterfield are phenomenal vehicles; they perform much better than our ADL Enviro400EVs in many aspects. ADL and other British manufacturers should be seeing this as a wake-up call to start producing better vehicles. I think Nottingham City Transport sum it up well:
But if there is a restriction, Chinese manufacturers could set up bases over here. In much the same way as a major Chinese car manufacturer (I forget which one) is setting up a base in Europe to met EU restrictions. Ok, so profits will go back to China, but at least it will provide employment and knock-on benefits to Britain.
 

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Restricting operators to purchasing what are quite frankly inferior vehicles plagued with issues from new is not a great idea in my opinion. Our Yutongs here in Chesterfield are phenomenal vehicles; they perform much better than our ADL Enviro400EVs in many aspects. ADL and other British manufacturers should be seeing this as a wake-up call to start producing better vehicles. I think Nottingham City Transport sum it up well:
I was always surprised that once so many operators started placing large orders with Chinese manufacturers(and Egyptian body plants), that the UK Government didnt then start to stipulate that a plant should open in the UK for those vehicles built with funding from government/taxpayer subsidies.
Maybe this announcement will see that reviewed?

One hopes some kind of resolution can be found for AD at Falkirk, it would be a scandal if we lost a UK plant, especially with bus and coach orders in the UK at such a big high.
 

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But I think they are only doing what they have to do to preserve some manufacturing capacity. What I take from the NFI statement is that they believe that, if the Government is providing funding for electric buses, they should be restricted to only being able to buy from British manufacturers. Which I find hard to argue against - why should taxpayers money enrich China?
Approximately one-third of the work (e.g., interior fit-out) on UK Yutongs is done by Pelican Bus & Coach in the UK. ADL part manufactures the Enviro 100 in China and has used BYD chassis from China for many years.

So, how do we define "Made in Britain"?
 

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Feel very, very sorry for the workers and their families. Coming hard on the heels of the closure of Grangemouth just a few miles away this will be devastating for the community and future prospects.

Will be corrected by those with more insights than me, but it seems ever since they were bought out by their Canadian parent company things have gone backwards.

The break from BYD, the opting out of coach building and the embarrassment of a progression of buses being sent back from Glasgow for in warranty repairs, plus long lead times for their new products… Add to that stiff price competition from Chinese manufacturers subsidised by government. and I believe even Wrights were given UK government money when Johnston was PM around the time of NI Brexit concerns.. And purely a coincidence that Johnston’s party were receiving donations from the JCB family over the preceding years!

Very sad end to bus manufacturing in Scotland but all the traditionally loyal buyers even in ADLs own back yard have effectively abandoned them - Glasgow, Aberdeen, Edinburgh, McGills across Scotland including ADL towns of Falkirk and Larbert, just to run salt into the wound. Once the dominant bus builder in the UK has clearly lost its way and consolidating in Scarborough, in itself, won’t solve all their problems.A company very much in retreat right now.
Before the sale to NFI, a large shareholding was in Brian Souter's hands which gave ADL a ready market with Stagecoach. That link has now gone, although Stagecoach are still buying from ADL they have widened their net of suppliers somewhat.
 

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Approximately one-third of the work (e.g., interior fit-out) on UK Yutongs is done by Pelican Bus & Coach in the UK. ADL part manufactures the Enviro 100 in China and has used BYD chassis from China for many years.

So, how do we define "Made in Britain"?
Eiher fully assembled, or fully bodied in the UK would be my remit(although it's going off topic!).
 

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No different to what Leyland did to its competitors in the 1960s, or what Volvo then did to Leyland in the 1990s. Too much capacity, not enough orders to sustain it, therefore you rationalise.

Sentimentality doesn't pay the bills.
 

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In much the same way as a major Chinese car manufacturer (I forget which one) is setting up a base in Europe to met EU restrictions.

BYD Auto will start making cars in Szeged, Hungary in 2026. They already have a bus factory in Hungary, in Komárom. IIRC the chassis for BYD/ADL electric buses were built in Hungary.
 

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Very sad end to bus manufacturing in Scotland but all the traditionally loyal buyers even in ADLs own back yard have effectively abandoned them - Glasgow, Aberdeen, Edinburgh, McGills across Scotland including ADL towns of Falkirk and Larbert, just to run salt into the wound. Once the dominant bus builder in the UK has clearly lost its way and consolidating in Scarborough, in itself, won’t solve all their problems.A company very much in retreat right now.
To be fair when First owned Midland Bluebird and Scotland East they weren't buying much from ADL for those areas, it was usually Wrightbus who got the orders for the area.

Aside from a few select purchases, any ADL stock generally came from cascades from other areas, same applies to McGill's who had to move buses in from the west due to the poor standard of many ex-First vehicles.
 

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So we have a long estabished scottish coach builder closed , just after grangemouth. this is the result of deregulation where operators have ignorned the local comunities and gone to ensure the profiteering of the directors over the local communitee. Lets get public transport back to the benifit of the public. we have seen the bleeding of money to private operators and chassis building to overseas companies , the result is the strarvation of local communitees. w2hen will we see the true effects of captalisation. i await to be shot down by those wanting to profiteer over those less fortunate
 

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I see mention is made of "body manufacturing" which implies chassis are likely to be made offshore as per the E100EV is and E200EV is planned to be so suggest the E400EV chassis will be made elsewhere as well but not exactly clear from the press release
 

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So we have a long estabished scottish coach builder closed , just after grangemouth. this is the result of deregulation where operators have ignorned the local comunities and gone to ensure the profiteering of the directors over the local communitee. Lets get public transport back to the benifit of the public. we have seen the bleeding of money to private operators and chassis building to overseas companies , the result is the strarvation of local communitees. w2hen will we see the true effects of captalisation. i await to be shot down by those wanting to profiteer over those less fortunate
Would be good if the case but unfortunately we have local government controlled bus operations buying from abroad - Nottingham being a key example.

Even Manchester too Volvos that came across on a boat so wouldn’t be a silver bullet without legislation changes
 

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