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Tees Valley Mayor Ben Houchen committed to building £20m Teesside Airport railway station

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Item on Teesside Live - local comments suggest the idea is barmy.

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Mayor Ben Houchen says a new station will make the airport even more accessible.
Teesside International Airport railway station
Teesside International Airport railway station

Tees Valley Mayor Ben Houchen has reiterated his commitment to building a new railway station at Teesside Airport.
The announcement came after the Labour Government confirmed a near £1 billion funding package for the region. Services at the neglected station have been suspended since May 2022 due to "urgent repairs to the railway, according to National Rail. It is hoped the new station will provide better connectivity for passengers across the region.



This £1bn funding is a once-in-a-generation chance to transform transport'
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Mr Houchen said unlocking another £1bn of funding will allow for better roads, better stations and better transport links that the region deserves.
"This will not only make life easier every day for more people, but boost trade and supercharge the huge investments and projects we have coming online. From a cutting-edge tram network, to sorting out our stations and getting a new Tees Crossing done, this is a big step forward to getting even more spades in the ground and helping to deliver growth across our area".
 
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What's the point, there are hardly any flights from Tees side. If any airport in the north needs a rail connection or maybe a tram, its Liverpool Airport.
 

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What's the point, there are hardly any flights from Tees side. If any airport in the north needs a rail connection or maybe a tram, its Liverpool Airport.

The fairly frequent bus connections from rwo rail lines at Liverpool South Parkway offer a more useful combination to air travellers than Teesside is likely to get.
 

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The fairly frequent bus connections from rwo rail lines at Liverpool South Parkway offer a more useful combination to air travellers than Teesside is likely to get.
I know I use it, but something better than that is now becoming the issue, with respect to the bus transfer and traffic and the rise in passengers .
 

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I know I use it, but something better than that is now becoming the issue, with respect to the bus transfer and traffic and the rise in passengers .

Never used Liverpool Airport but have used Liverpool South Parkway and may consider that combination in future. Teesside, never, and probably wouldn't have done when living in Richmond. The train wouldn't be a consideration.
 

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Surely there's something else in Teeside which would actually provide a benefit to someone with £20m spent on it? Like fixing the transporter bridge.
 

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What's the point, there are hardly any flights from Tees side. If any airport in the north needs a rail connection or maybe a tram, its Liverpool Airport.
Seems to me that the real question that raises is whether it is worth keeping the airport open at all. If it is to remain active then having no station on the existing passenger line going right past it does seem silly.
(It seemed especially silly to me last time, some years ago, that I flew into Teesside. the flight was delayed and arrived too late for the last bus. I ended up walking to Dinsdale station for a train which then took me back past the airport where I had landed, through the closed station there: most annoying).

I agree that Liverpool has a stronger claim, but that would be a much bigger project. Liverpool Airport does not already have a passenger service passing next to it and a station already there but in need of work.
 

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Once the new platform at Darlington station is up and running, would there be a case for trains stopping at Teesside Airport? Or making Teesside Airport a request stop? i imagine that passengers using the airport station would be fairly few until there are more flights. And I've heard from a fairly reliable source some years back that the airport - even though it has a long runway - can't cope with much more flights until the terminal is upgraded.
 

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I know there's strong local support for regional airports like Teesside and Doncaster/Sheffield but it needs a lot more than a railway station to attract the passenger numbers needed to make the airport viable in the longer term.

Teesside recorded 228k in 2024, Newcastle 5,143k over a lot more flights to many more destinations. To use a train you need to get to a station. Where are the stations that are convenient to start from, leaving aside frequency of services to a new airport station and getting from station to check in?

Even with the Metro station in the airport the majority of Newcastle Airport users seem to arrive by car - and they probably do at Manchester too.
 

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I know there's strong local support for regional airports like Teesside and Doncaster/Sheffield but it needs a lot more than a railway station to attract the passenger numbers needed to make the airport viable in the longer term.
Local people like that certain facilities exist, even though they have not the slightest intention of using them. Small regional airports fall into that category.
 

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What's the point, there are hardly any flights from Tees side. If any airport in the north needs a rail connection or maybe a tram, its Liverpool Airport.
That would be really inconvenient for Teesside and the North East generally.

Seriously, I agree that Liverpool could benefit from a rail connection (as could Bristol for that matter if we widen this around the UK) but in terms of serving the North East Tees Side is really well located as it serves:
  • Most of County Durham better than Newcastle
  • Most of North Yorkshire better than Leeds Bradford
  • Tees Side (of course)
I guess the concept is to make the airport more attractive and grow it over time - it does have potential - the Amsterdam flights with KLM are surprisingly busy

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I know there's strong local support for regional airports like Teesside and Doncaster/Sheffield but it needs a lot more than a railway station to attract the passenger numbers needed to make the airport viable in the longer term.

Teesside recorded 228k in 2024, Newcastle 5,143k over a lot more flights to many more destinations. To use a train you need to get to a station. Where are the stations that are convenient to start from, leaving aside frequency of services to a new airport station and getting from station to check in?

Even with the Metro station in the airport the majority of Newcastle Airport users seem to arrive by car - and they probably do at Manchester too.
A mainline rail link to Newcastle Airport would be really good but I could just be being selfish there!
 

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"I presume that Messrs Corney and Musgrave are preparing their bid."

Anyone unfamiliar with these people (and assorted family members) should look at the various Teesside Regeneration articles in Private Eye.
 

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Item on Teesside Live - local comments suggest the idea is barmy.

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/...DKixblcq1BxXpbaGQg_aem_-dhwYFyWYJRr4Z4KKiZwFQ
Yes and you can add me to that! Total waste of money which could far better spent on almost any other transport project (be it rail, bus, bus pretending to be tram, or even just fixing some more potholes!).
Anyone know exactly what is going to make this new/upgraded station more connected and accessible?
Nothing, if anything it'll be even harder to get too seeing as they've but a great big hanger in front of it so I think the walking route will be even longer than it used to be. Previously it was around 1km (see a trip I did here where I walked it and illustrated it) and I reckon now it'll be closer to 1.3km (unless you cut over a grassy field which will be fun with your rolly suitcase).

But the fundamental issues always remain. The railway, even at its closest approach to terminal building as the crow flies is still around 650m away, is just too far away from the terminal for any sensible station to be built that will be attractive. When they tried a shuttle minibus years and years ago it was a complete failure. Nobody used it. And this was in an era when the airport was, comparatively booming. Even when every (or nearly every train) was calling at the station, nobody used it. It has and always will be a waste of resources to have a station at the airport.

If you really wanted to give it a public transport link, take a fraction of the money and tender a local bus company to run a shuttle bus from Darlington town centre, with one intermediate call at the railway station to the airport and back again. It'll cart fresh air all day. But it would be a heck of a lot cheaper and more convenient that spending £20m on building a railway station that no-one will ever use and Northern won't call at because no-one will ever use it.
Ben Houchen’s ego
This is the correct answer. The airport is Houchen's totemic project and so whatever money has to be spent will be spent to keep it in people's minds as a "amazing thing he alone has achieved" even if the truth is somewhat different.
Surely there's something else in Teeside which would actually provide a benefit to someone with £20m spent on it? Like fixing the transporter bridge.
Yeah plenty. Even using it just to fix potholes would be better than than (the Transporter Bridge has got separate funding I believe otherwise I'd agree, spend it on that!).
Seems to me that the real question that raises is whether it is worth keeping the airport open at all. If it is to remain active then having no station on the existing passenger line going right past it does seem silly.
(It seemed especially silly to me last time, some years ago, that I flew into Teesside. the flight was delayed and arrived too late for the last bus. I ended up walking to Dinsdale station for a train which then took me back past the airport where I had landed, through the closed station there: most annoying).
I'm sorry but there is no point to having the station serve the airport and it really doesn't go "right past" (see my linked report above). It doesn't work and has never worked. It's too far away, too inconvenient and just not worth spending a penny on. The edge case of someone who has landed and missed the last bus so had to walk to Dinsdale is just that an edge case. Particularly when most passengers, even when the station was open and had a good service, drove to it, got a lift to it or took a taxi.

Once the new platform at Darlington station is up and running, would there be a case for trains stopping at Teesside Airport? Or making Teesside Airport a request stop? i imagine that passengers using the airport station would be fairly few until there are more flights. And I've heard from a fairly reliable source some years back that the airport - even though it has a long runway - can't cope with much more flights until the terminal is upgraded.
Sadly there just isn't any point to it. Even when Teesside airport had more flights and more passengers the station was a ghost town and no attempt has ever managed to make it useful.

There is no grand conspiracy here, if the station had been successful it would have been left open with regular calls. But the calls were withdrawn and the station rundown because even in it and the airports heyday it wasn't being used!

BR indeed only agreed to build the station on the understanding that it would be paid for by and the maintenance paid for by the airport because BR knew that there was no viable business case for them to take on the liability themselves. That has not changed in the intervening decades.

Local people like that certain facilities exist, even though they have not the slightest intention of using them. Small regional airports fall into that category.
It's like the last bank in the village. People like the idea that there's a bank branch they can visit if they want to. They never will. But if the last bank is proposed for closure oh my the fuss that will be raised.
That would be really inconvenient for Teesside and the North East generally.

Seriously, I agree that Liverpool could benefit from a rail connection (as could Bristol for that matter if we widen this around the UK) but in terms of serving the North East Tees Side is really well located as it serves:
  • Most of County Durham better than Newcastle
  • Most of North Yorkshire better than Leeds Bradford
  • Tees Side (of course)
I guess the concept is to make the airport more attractive and grow it over time - it does have potential - the Amsterdam flights with KLM are surprisingly busy
Though Newcastle, Leeds and Manchester are all well located to serve Teesside (no space ;) ) and indeed that's where the majority of people fly from. Newcastle is only an hour away, Leeds Bradford similar and Manchester Airport is a bit further but not all that much further. All of them have a better range of flights and two of them better transport links (you can get trains directly to the terminal).

I wouldn't just shut Teesside Airport but I wouldn't spend a penny of taxpayer money on it when the needs of Teesside are well served by existing airports that do not require anything like the level of support Teesside does (if any at all!).

Having a station or not having a station changes nothing for Teesside Airport's viability and it's just Houchen's vanity that means we're lumbered wasting £20m on a white elephant.
 

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Seriously, I agree that Liverpool could benefit from a rail connection (as could Bristol for that matter if we widen this around the UK) but in terms of serving the North East Tees Side is really well located as it serves:
  • Most of County Durham better than Newcastle
  • Most of North Yorkshire better than Leeds Bradford
  • Tees Side (of course)

I'd question all three starting with serves "better than".

All three alternatives offer a far wider range of flights to more detinations more frequently than Teesside. How is that a better choice?

Fairly obviously Newcastle is best on location for Northumberland towards Carlisle and Berwick and Tyneside. There's limited scope to increase Teesside's share from there, with or without a station.

North West Durham and most of Wearside is similar.

OK, Teesside should provide customers but how many would come by train and from which stations?

North Yorkshire is a tricky one. It's over 50 years since I lived there and for a short period commuted from Richmond to Middlesbrough. My memories suggest that most North Yorkshire residents would drive to one of the other 3 airports before Teesside. From the few who would opt for Teesside I can't think which stations would generate many rail passengers for the airport. TPE to Manchester, LNER/Northern/XC and Metro to Newcastle more likely but car would be top choice for any of them.
 

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I think a lot of the projects that the £978m given to the Tees Valley are money well spent but even as an airport supporter I can’t honestly see how you can justify spending £20m rebuilding the station - and surely the only place you can build it is on the current site or under the bridge on the approach road. You can’t move the line any closer to the terminal so that’s a non-starter.
Far better to just improve bus links to the Airport and your £20m would last a long time to do that.
As for these ‘trackless trams’ that apparently will run around our local towns - and the Airport site - why we can’t just have local town buses I don’t know. The money would be far better spent elsewhere.

The £140m for a new station at Teesside Park is one to watch - I believe this could be a much bigger development as there are plans for redevelopment of the bottom end of the old yard!
 

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What's the point, there are hardly any flights from Tees side. If any airport in the north needs a rail connection or maybe a tram, its Liverpool Airport.

If only Northallerton - Ripon - Harrogate was reinstated then they could (eventually) used West Yorkshire next most pointless station i.e 'Leeds Bradford Parkway' and change their to a bus for Leeds Bradford Airport.
 

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A mainline rail link to Newcastle Airport would be really good but I could just be being selfish there!
Would possibly be a better place to terminate trains over central station if they wanted to go big and build a new set of tracks alongside the ECML to Killingworth and see if they can find a new alignment to the airport.

I think Liverpool, Durham Tees Valley and Leeds/Bradford airports could all do with loops off existing nearby railway lines into new stations.

That Tees crossing idea would be good if it was for a railway line from Hartlepool to Middlesbrough from the East of the station. That way journey times along the Durham coast into Middlesbrough became a lot shorter not having to follow the dog leg through Billingham and Stockton. And those quicker trains can then serve that new airport station making train connections to it a lot more attractive. Also, trains from London to Sunderland can go via Middlesbrough and trains from London and Manchester to Middlesbrough can continue to Sunderland.
 

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So that the airport can be demolished for housing - keep Angela Rayner in check!
It would be a more useful use of the land...
Guess which prominent local businessmen (according to Private Eye) have the rights to build housing on a lot of the land around the airport. Land that will be more valuable witha shiny new railway station attached to it.

Pure coincidence, I’m sure.

in terms of serving the North East Tees Side is really well located as it serves:
  • Most of County Durham better than Newcastle
  • Most of North Yorkshire better than Leeds Bradford
  • Tees Side (of course)
Teesside Airport is a royal pain in the arse to get to by road, especially from the north. It doesn’t serve County Durham well at all, for most people it’ll be easier to get to Newcastle.

Same applies southwards. It’s a fast run to Leeds-Bradford from the north, A1 then A59. I could do it in 90 minutes from my house in Durham; it could take 50-60 to get to Teesside.

Leaving aside the fact that Musgrave and Carney will be the ones to benefit from it, the place really should be bulldozed and turned into housing. Same as Doncaster, if we’re being honest.

The only benefit to having a proper railway station there will be if it is bulldozed and turned into Persimmon rabbit hutches.
 

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Teesside Airport is a royal pain in the arse to get to by road, especially from the north. It doesn’t serve County Durham well at all, for most people it’ll be easier to get to Newcastle.

Same applies southwards. It’s a fast run to Leeds-Bradford from the north, A1 then A59. I could do it in 90 minutes from my house in Durham; it could take 50-60 to get to Teesside.
I was talking about future potential more than anything.

The roads around LBA are awful (90mins from Durham City would be impressive and it's not the A59)

Totally agree that Newcastle will be the focus (and should be) but whilst it's great if there are no road problems it's a nightmare if there are.

As for the earlier post on Manchester being a good alternative - that involves a horrible drive or a long train journey and Birmingham can be quicker and easier to get to

However would I spend money on the station? No but an express bus link to Darlington station would
 

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The roads around LBA are awful (90mins from Durham City would be impressive and it's not the A59)
It is the A59, then the A658 if we’re being pedantic. 90 minutes for the 80 miles was regular and I’ve done it in as little as about 60-70 late at night/early morning with my heavy driving boots on. It’s faster now the motorway is complete.

From the south the roads aren’t great to LBA but from the north they’re fine, 50mph+ speed limits until you hit Pool in Wharfedale.

No but an express bus link to Darlington station would
Arriva used to operate an express bus from the station, back when the airport was a lot busier. The bus carried fresh air.
 

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To save time: @ainsworth74 knows the score here. You would do well to agree!

I love the IDEA of Teesside airport and I have fond memories of using it in the olden days but it is a drain on tax payer resources and should be turned into housing
Yes and you can add me to that! Total waste of money which could far better spent on almost any other transport project (be it rail, bus, bus pretending to be tram, or even just fixing some more potholes!).
Is the correct answer
Guess which prominent local businessmen (according to Private Eye) have the rights to build housing on a lot of the land around the airport. Land that will be more valuable witha shiny new railway station attached to it.
scurrilous rumours put about by marxist revolutionary leftisits
Teesside Airport is a royal pain in the arse to get to by road, especially from the north. It doesn’t serve County Durham well at all, for most people it’ll be easier to get to Newcastle.
It serves Darlo and Middlesbrough bascially!
No but an express bus link to Darlington station would
There was one - it was barely used.

As for the earlier post on Manchester being a good alternative - that involves a horrible drive or a long train journey and Birmingham can be quicker and easier to get to
Manchester airport is very popular for Durham/Cleveland/North Yorkshire based people - it has a direct hourly train service afterall. I know several people who use the train once a year: to and from Manchester Airport. Sadly some of those were lost when direct Newcastle > Manchester trains were axed.
 

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As for the earlier post on Manchester being a good alternative - that involves a horrible drive or a long train journey and Birmingham can be quicker and easier to get to
And yet that's exactly what lots of people do! I've had friends, colleagues and acquaintances who will either catch the train or drive to Manchester Airport. More that go to Newcastle or Leeds (and some that go to London for Heathrow or Gatwick). You're overestimating how much of an "issue" it is to get to these other airports. And that is why Teesside Airport cannot realistic compete.

It's competition is Newcastle, Leeds and Manchester and all three are easily accessible and dominate any potential catchment area that Teesside Airport might have other than basically Middlesbrough, Redcar, Stockton and Darlington. That's not very many people. And all of them can easily get to one of the other airports anyway.
To save time: @ainsworth74 knows the score here. You would do well to agree!
Thank you! I keep saying things would be easier if people just agreed with me ;)
Arriva used to operate an express bus from the station, back when the airport was a lot busier. The bus carried fresh air.

There was one - it was barely used.

Oh yeah it would also be a total waste of money to pay Arriva or Stagecoach (or whoever) to run a dedicated airport shuttle bus. But I reckon if we used £2m of the funding allocated to the new station that would buy several years of airport shuttle bus service to keep the "BUT YOU MUST BE ABLE TO ACCESS THIS AIPORT (that nobody uses) BY PUBLIC TRANSPORT EASILY THEN LOADS OF PEOPLE WILL TRAVEL TO IT (not that they did when it had good connections and a better range of flights)" happy and leave £18m for useful projects.
 

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Oh yeah it would also be a total waste of money to pay Arriva or Stagecoach (or whoever) to run a dedicated airport shuttle bus. But I reckon if we used £2m of the funding allocated to the new station that would buy several years of airport shuttle bus service to keep the "BUT YOU MUST BE ABLE TO ACCESS THIS AIPORT (that nobody uses) BY PUBLIC TRANSPORT EASILY THEN LOADS OF PEOPLE WILL TRAVEL TO IT (not that they did when it had good connections and a better range of flights)" happy and leave £18m for useful projects.
agreed!
 

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I wonder what might have happened if they'd built the terminal next to the railway and allowed a Southampton style interchange.

Probably nothing different, of course. But an arrangement where you had to get an infrequent local stopping train and then a bus to the terminal was never going to generate any custom. And if a bus from a main line station with links to lots of places was a failure then that tells you plenty about how useful public transport to this particular airport is.
 

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Oh yeah it would also be a total waste of money to pay Arriva or Stagecoach (or whoever) to run a dedicated airport shuttle bus. But I reckon if we used £2m of the funding allocated to the new station that would buy several years of airport shuttle bus service to keep the "BUT YOU MUST BE ABLE TO ACCESS THIS AIPORT (that nobody uses) BY PUBLIC TRANSPORT EASILY THEN LOADS OF PEOPLE WILL TRAVEL TO IT (not that they did when it had good connections and a better range of flights)" happy and leave £18m for useful projects.
Cheaper still, a free taxi from Darlington or Thornaby for the tens of people flying from the airport. Although no doubt Musgrave and Carney would get the contract and therefore the taxi fare would be eleventy bazillion pounds.
 

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