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I agree with this. I'm broadly happy with the local reps and company council at my toc but there are big challenges on the horizon and it will be interesting to see how they perform there. In any kind of interaction like that between union and management members deserve to have an understanding...

I don't think any group thinks they're barred. Can you not imagine why people who are not straight white men might take a look at the overwhelming number of straight white men in driving roles and have even a small doubt about whether they could or would want to get a job as a driver? Can you...

Proactive recruitment of underrepresented groups is not the same as recruiting on demographics over ability. It is about taking steps to ensure that jobs are considered genuine possibilities by those groups and understanding what the previous barriers have been in their recruitment and seeking...

Sure, I got that. But asking if Liverpool views Sunday aas a special day of the week across 'all areas of employment' when the entire country treats it as a special day of the week is an odd way of asking whether Liverpool based Northern drivers have a particular issue with their Sundays.

I don't think football matches are limited to Liverpool. I'm not really sure why you're implying, by singling out Liverpool, that it's any different there to elsewhere in the country. The issue of Sunday services has been discussed many times on here and I didn't want to ignite the discussion...

Sunday is seen as 'a special day of the week' in a huge number of industries across the country, not only in Liverpool. Strange question.

People do fail the training. I can't speak for TPE but it is absolutely the case that people fail the training and are sent on their way. The vast majority pass though.

Those of us on one side of the argument have been repeatedly told to provide evidence for our assertions in this thread. We wouldn't get away with saying 'trust me on this'. You say you have no problem and then you immediately start insinuating that HEX will have problems with their more...

ASLEF's research is saying they're underrepresented. I'm not quite sure how to interpret your question. I don't think that it's OK for you to vociferously deny that there is a problem in the workforce and then say you don't know why a certain demographic is underrepresented with the implied...

In this thread people have explained the lack of women in the post by suggesting that the hours put them off due to family commitments and/or that they have a lesser aptitude for the skills involved in driving trains. I disagree with that, but let's pretend for a minute it's correct, what do you...

This is brilliant. You're surprised that in a push for equality people are pursuing the high paying jobs over the low paying jobs? Really? And you somehow think that's indicative of wanting special treatment?

I routinely get the most horrendously offensive things said to me, the kind of stuff that would see HR collectively break out in a cold sweat. I think it's hilarious, because it's banter - it comes from a working relationship, from people I trust and from people who take it when it's dished out...

I know you think it's a good idea, we're broadly on the same side here which is great. I think there is work the railway industry needs to do, on both a high level and down to individual depots and work society needs to do. The railway can't necessarily answer whether women are innately less...

Does that statement include or exclude the cost of maternity? Because I don't think you can fairly analyse that as solely a cost of employing women.

Forgive me if the level of critical thinking involved in such gems as 'the government (the institution granting [women] rights)' doesn't fill me with confidence that that's an objectively researched and well thought out piece.

We should also be mindful that men die younger, are more likely to suffer from liver disease, stomach cancer and bowel cancer, more likely to die if they get skin cancer, are three times more likely to commit suicide, are more likely to catch cold and flu viruses and have higher rates of heart...

Do you know how to use Google?

You don't see a benefit to society in a more representative workforce? Or a more even spread of salary? I'm frankly amazed and almost impressed at how some on this thread have managed to get to the point of presenting the choice as employing white men who are apparently innately superior as...

Less isn't the same as none. No one except you has mentioned banning the recruitment of white men. It would be illegal, not to mention ridiculous.

You said you assumed ASLEF would like to see a ban on recruiting white men and also that people would be redeployed and that this was strange. I pointed out that you'd reached those assumptions on your own. Do you think current recruitment is to enable existing drivers to be redeployed? If not...