60+ Oyster Card use after Midnight

[Geoff_K]

There's a possibility my work hours may be changed so I finish work at Midnight, so I'm wondering up to what time can I use my 60+ Oyster Card on trains and buses after that?

Cheers.

 

[SargeNpton]

The TfL Conditions of Carriage say this about the 60+ Oyster...

When and where it can be used

At all times on bus, Tube, tram, DLR, London Overground and TfL Rail services except for journeys that start between 0430 and 0900 Mondays to Fridays, excluding public holidays.

So, if you finish at midnight that should give you plenty of time to get home before 0430.

The full version of the conditions can be found here... https://content.tfl.gov.uk/tfl-conditions-of-carriage.pdf

 

[Geoff_K]

The TfL Conditions of Carriage say this about the 60+ Oyster...

When and where it can be used

At all times on bus, Tube, tram, DLR, London Overground and TfL Rail services except for journeys that start between 0430 and 0900 Mondays to Fridays, excluding public holidays.

So, if you finish at midnight that should give you plenty of time to get home before 0430.

The full version of the conditions can be found here... https://content.tfl.gov.uk/tfl-conditions-of-carriage.pdf

Excellent, many thanks!

 

[Graham H]

The TfL Conditions of Carriage say this about the 60+ Oyster...

When and where it can be used

At all times on bus, Tube, tram, DLR, London Overground and TfL Rail services except for journeys that start between 0430 and 0900 Mondays to Fridays, excluding public holidays.

So, if you finish at midnight that should give you plenty of time to get home before 0430.

The full version of the conditions can be found here... https://content.tfl.gov.uk/tfl-conditions-of-carriage.pdf

Being pedantic, doesnt it say journeys that start between 04:30 and 09:00 so provided you board a train (assuming one exists) any time up to 04:29 does it matter what time you get home ? Being even more obtuse what if my journey starts on an 04:29 bus and I then change to a Tfl service mid route does that satisfy the restriction as my journey start time meets the restriction. To be honest this is nit picking as I have no intention ever being awake and looking for a train at that time of day !

 

[Mcr Warrior]

There can be a similar issue when travelling on certain off peak rail tickets within the Greater Manchester area. Fine if your journey starts before the 1601 afternoon peak starts but problematic if you then have to interchange en route before your final destination.

 

[Graham H]

There can be a similar issue when travelling on certain off peak rail tickets within the Greater Manchester area. Fine if your journey starts before the 1601 afternoon peak starts but problematic if you then have to interchange en route before your final destination.

Agreed. We have a London train that leaves at 08:59 so not valid yet it stops 2 minutes later so becomes valid from the next station which always seems ridiculous. Going back a few years wasnt it the ARRIVAL time that was crucial particularly for London as I know we used to get a slow train at 09:16 from Didcot even though there was a faster one 5 minutes later purely because off peak was based on London arrival times back then. If my 08:59 is late I wonder if it then becomes post the cutoff......pedantry rules !

 

[etr221]

Ahh... "Journey": one of those terms that everyone thinks they know what it means: but then turns out to be used with several different meanings - that while all similar, are sufficiently different to cause problems if the one that is understood isn't the one that is meant...

 

[plugwash]

Going back a few years wasnt it the ARRIVAL time that was crucial particularly for London

IIRC (as someone from the greater manchester area)

Cheap day returns, at least in the north (I don't know if it was different in the London area) usually (possiblly always) had a 9:30 morning peak restriction and it was based on the departure time from the station where the person boarded.

Saver returns that went to or via London had peak restrictions iand the times on the restriction were based on the time the train arrived/departed from London.

Saver returns that did not go to or via London generally did not have any time restrictions.

When the government did their fake simplification and renamed "saver returns" to "off peak returns" and "cheap day returns" to "off peak day returns", the situation initially remained the same. Where both off "peak returns" and "off peak day returns" were offered on the same route, they often had completely different rules.

Since then a lot of the former saver returns have had morning peak restrictions and/or break of journey restrictions put on them. IIRC fares set by crosscountry were the first to gain such peak restrictions. More recently it seems many of those set by transpennine have too. TFW set ones still often don't have time restrictions but do have break of journey restrictions (if they didn't they would form loophole fares for crosscountry routes).

In some metro areas, off peak day returns have had an evening peak restriction added, those outside or between different metro areas don't tend to have evening peak restrictions (but often have a considerably higher price per mile)

 

[SargeNpton]

IIRC (as someone from the greater manchester area)

Cheap day returns, at least in the north (I don't know if it was different in the London area) usually (possiblly always) had a 9:30 morning peak restriction and it was based on the departure time from the station where the person boarded.

Saver returns that went to or via London had peak restrictions iand the times on the restriction were based on the time the train arrived/departed from London.

Saver returns that did not go to or via London generally did not have any time restrictions.

When the government did their fake simplification and renamed "saver returns" to "off peak returns" and "cheap day returns" to "off peak day returns", the situation initially remained the same. Where both off "peak returns" and "off peak day returns" were offered on the same route, they often had completely different rules.

Since then a lot of the former saver returns have had morning peak restrictions and/or break of journey restrictions put on them. IIRC fares set by crosscountry were the first to gain such peak restrictions. More recently it seems many of those set by transpennine have too. TFW set ones still often don't have time restrictions but do have break of journey restrictions (if they didn't they would form loophole fares for crosscountry routes).

In some metro areas, off peak day returns have had an evening peak restriction added, those outside or between different metro areas don't tend to have evening peak restrictions (but often have a considerably higher price per mile)

But this is all to do with Transport for London's conditions of carriage relating to a particular type of Oyster card; it's nothing to do with what happen on National Rail.

It all depends on how the Oyster readers are set up to deal with them, so presumably if you Tap In at 0429 the gate will open but if you tap in at 0430 it won't.