Abellio Greater Anglia class 170 at London Liverpool Street.

[swt class 450]

I know it is a bit late but i just thought i would mention that 170 208 worked the 17:30 Norwich - London Liverpool Street 19:16 and 20:00 London Liverpool Street - Norwich 21:51 journeys on Tuesday the 19/7/2016. I am thinking that this must be the first time that a 170 has been to London Liverpool Street since Abellio Greater Anglia withdrew the direct services from London Liverpool Street to Lowestoft and from London Liverpool Street to Peterborough? Does anyone know the reason why a 170 was used?

 

[HLE]

Power issues with the overheads if I remember rightly.

 

[Kite159]

Probably mentioned in this thread about the disruption on Tuesday:
http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=133025

 

[grumblingalong]

170208, sans toilette if anyone is interested.

 

[Class 170101]

I know it is a bit late but i just thought i would mention that 170 208 worked the 17:30 Norwich - London Liverpool Street 19:16 and 20:00 London Liverpool Street - Norwich 21:51 journeys on Tuesday the 19/7/2016. I am thinking that this must be the first time that a 170 has been to London Liverpool Street since Abellio Greater Anglia withdrew the direct services from London Liverpool Street to Lowestoft and from London Liverpool Street to Peterborough?

Nah they have been before. A couple of Sundays on the 07:00 Norwich to London and the 09:30 return. Also stops NR removing route clearance for class.

 

[swt class 450]

Thanks for all the info. A 170 is certainly more interesting that the normal locomotive hauled stock (well at least in my opinion). Without going too much off topic can anyone tell me if a 153 or 156 has ever been to London Liverpool Street and has a 360 ever been to Norwich?

 

[Class 170101]

Thanks for all the info. A 170 is certainly more interesting that the normal locomotive hauled stock (well at least in my opinion). Without going too much off topic can anyone tell me if a 153 or 156 has ever been to London Liverpool Street and has a 360 ever been to Norwich?

156 yes but NR won't allow it in regular service. It had passed Witham before anyone noticed on a Bank Holiday a few years ago.

360s are cleared but no single train crew depot signs both route and traction.

 

[Bungle965]

156 yes but NR won't allow it in regular service. It had passed Witham before anyone noticed on a Bank Holiday a few years ago.

360s are cleared but no single train crew depot signs both route and traction.

Which would explain why the 321 does the evening service M-F not a 360
Sam

 

[swt class 450]

Thanks for all the info. Ive just remembered im sure there was a report that i read in a magazine a few years ago that a 153 was used to London Liverpool Street. Does anyone remember this or know if this happened?

With the 156 was this in passenger service when it went to London Liverpool Street?

So if the 360s are cleared but no train crew sign the route and traction are you saying that a 360 has never been to Norwich? Surely they would have had to go to Norwich at least once to get cleared for this line?

 

[MatthewRead]

Are 170's going to work the 4 trains a day Liverpool Street to Lowestoft services or are they going to wait for the new Bi-modes?

 

[TheEdge]

Are 170's going to work the 4 trains a day Liverpool Street to Lowestoft services or are they going to wait for the new Bi-modes?

Nothing official yet but the general rumour consensus is the new services won't be happening until the new stock arrives. Since the loss of 170204 the 170 fleet is stretched so far there is simply no way they could cover the new services on routes they currently work (Lowestoft - London and Norwich - Stansted).

If AGA get any additional units to go from start of franchise until new stock maybe but otherwise unlikely.

 

[Class 170101]

As reported elsewhere
Class 317s and Class 321s from GN

 

[DasLunatic]

Which would explain why the 321 does the evening service M-F not a 360
Sam

So if a 360 is put on this diagram and there is no way of cancelling it, who drives - the person with the route knowledge or the person with traction knowledge..?

 

[dk1]

So if a 360 is put on this diagram and there is no way of cancelling it, who drives - the person with the route knowledge or the person with traction knowledge..?

It would be cancelled/pined first. Too much hassle to be honest.

 

[grumblingalong]

So if a 360 is put on this diagram and there is no way of cancelling it, who drives - the person with the route knowledge or the person with traction knowledge..?

It wouldn't be the drivers that are the problem as they could be route/traction conducted as you say, a guard is required north of Colchester with a 12 car 321/360 and north of Ipswich on any train. There are no AGA conductors that sign both 360s and the GEML north of Stowmarket.

As DK1 rightly says it wouldn't run, if it did only to Colchester/Ipswich/Stowmarket depending on crews.

 

[tsr]

It wouldn't be the drivers that are the problem as they could be route/traction conducted as you say, a guard is required north of Colchester with a 12 car 321/360 and north of Ipswich on any train. There are no AGA conductors that sign both 360s and the GEML north of Stowmarket.

As DK1 rightly says it wouldn't run, if it did only to Colchester/Ipswich/Stowmarket depending on crews.

It's possible for a conductor/guard to be route-conducted. Admittedly that also is a lot of hassle to arrange on occasions, and I think we are all in agreement that it probably wouldn't be worth it in this case.

 

[306024]

The 360s have enough work of their own, 20 diagrams from 21 units. The discussion is all a bit academic as a 360 would never be allocated to the 17.02 LST-NRW.

 

[Wivenswold]

I remember a 156 on the last Norwich to Liverpool Street one Saturday evening back in about 1999. It kept time too.

 

[306024]

It would if the train was timed for a 15x, but there is no way one of those would keep class 90 timings.

 

[dk1]

I remember a 156 on the last Norwich to Liverpool Street one Saturday evening back in about 1999. It kept time too.

156 or do you mean 150/2? At the time the 20:02 from Sheringham was booked for the latter & worked through as the 20:56 from Norwich due Liv.St at 23:00 so would've been on time. By the way it would also have been class 86s not 90s back then.

 

[Wivenswold]

156 or do you mean 150/2? At the time the 20:02 from Sheringham was booked for the latter & worked through as the 20:56 from Norwich due Liv.St at 23:00 so would've been on time. By the way it would also have been class 86s not 90s back then.

Actually, yes, may well have been a 150. That would explain it all.