Any Permitted Route Ely to London Liverpool Street

[747292]

Hi all,

Sorry that this has probably been done to death, but I find the national routeing guide extremely confusing…

Is a return from Ely to London Terminals/London Liverpool Street (GA only) valid for travel for Ely —> Ipswich —> London Liverpool Street?

Normally would go Ely —> Cambridge —> London Liverpool Street, but GA have replacement buses from Cambridge —> Bishop’s Stortford which are extremely long and make me motion sick.

Thank you very much to anyone able to advise on this quite specific problem.

 

[Alex365Dash]

Sorry that this has probably been done to death, but I find the national routeing guide extremely confusing…

Is a return from Ely to London Terminals/London Liverpool Street (GA only) valid for travel for Ely —> Ipswich —> London Liverpool Street?

May as well attempt to explain how the Routeing Guide would work for this question.

First, we check the Pink Pages for London Liverpool Street and Ely for their associated Routeing Points. If they’re not a Routeing Point themselves or an Routeing Point Group member, then we’d have to compare the fares from September 1996 to get the right Routeing Point, but Ely is its own Routeing Point and Liverpool Street is a London Group Routeing Point member.

Then we’d check the Yellow Pages for Ely to London Group (or vice versa, either works), which gives either map KE or map WA.

We can use the map to trace a route from the origin to destination without a doubleback, giving the following:
KE - via Stevenage and ECML (or Hertford Loop) to Finsbury Park, then King’s Cross, St Pancras Intl (Thameslink) or Moorgate
WA - via Cambridge and Stansted Group Routeing Point* to Cheshunt, then either via Seven Sisters to Hackney Downs then Liverpool Street or via Tottenham Hale and then either via Hackney Downs or Stratford to London Liverpool Street

Considering the Greater Anglia only restriction on your ticket, map KE can be ignored. This leaves map WA, and there isn’t any other way to get to London on the ticket you specify other than via Bishops Stortford and the rail replacement buses.

You’re probably best off getting an Any Permitted ticket and travelling on Great Northern - if you’ve already bought a Hare Fare they’re refundable subject to a £10 admin fee, so you’d get half the ticket price back.

*You can double-back between stations in the same Routeing Point group provided that neither your origin nor destination is in or associated with the Routeing Point group.

EDIT: I completely missed that Great Northern are also affected by the engineering work - you can use RailUK Tickets to bring up the cheapest ticket for your journey when specifying “via Colchester” in the Advanced Options.

 

[747292]

Hi all,

Sorry that this has probably been done to death, but I find the national routeing guide extremely confusing…

Is a return from Ely to London Terminals/London Liverpool Street (GA only) valid for travel for Ely —> Ipswich —> London Liverpool Street?

Normally would go Ely —> Cambridge —> London Liverpool Street, but GA have replacement buses from Cambridge —> Bishop’s Stortford which are extremely long and make me motion sick.

Thank you very much to anyone able to advise on this quite specific problem

May as well attempt to explain how the Routeing Guide would work for this question.

First, we check the Pink Pages for London Liverpool Street and Ely for their associated Routeing Points. If they’re not a Routeing Point themselves or an Routeing Point Group member, then we’d have to compare the fares from September 1996 to get the right Routeing Point, but Ely is its own Routeing Point and Liverpool Street is a London Group Routeing Point member.

Then we’d check the Yellow Pages for Ely to London Group (or vice versa, either works), which gives either map KE or map WA.

We can use the map to trace a route from the origin to destination without a doubleback, giving the following:
KE - via Stevenage and ECML (or Hertford Loop) to Finsbury Park, then King’s Cross, St Pancras Intl (Thameslink) or Moorgate
WA - via Cambridge and Stansted Group Routeing Point* to Cheshunt, then either via Seven Sisters to Hackney Downs then Liverpool Street or via Tottenham Hale and then either via Hackney Downs or Stratford to London Liverpool Street

Considering the Greater Anglia only restriction on your ticket, map KE can be ignored. This leaves map WA, and there isn’t any other way to get to London on the ticket you specify other than via Bishops Stortford and the rail replacement buses.

You’re probably best off getting an Any Permitted ticket and travelling on Great Northern - if you’ve already bought a Hare Fare they’re refundable subject to a £10 admin fee, so you’d get half the ticket price back.

*You can double-back between stations in the same Routeing Point group provided that neither your origin nor destination is in or associated with the Routeing Point group.

EDIT: I completely missed that Great Northern are also affected by the engineering work - you can use RailUK Tickets to bring up the cheapest ticket for your journey when specifying “via Colchester” in the Advanced Options.

Thank you very much for your reply and detailed explanation of applying the routeing guide in context - I ran through it myself and I think I now understand how it works so will be able to use it again in future (find routeing point in pink pages, find two-letter permitted route references in yellow pages, find permitted routes on map).

I think I’ll just drive to Epping and take LU Central line instead of over 80 quid for both of us to go via Ipswich!

Thanks again