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Ayr Station Hotel: SAVE Britain's Heritage could rescue building

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Continuing from this thread:


There has been a proposal from SAVE Britain's Heritage to save the hotel from demolition. So there might be some hope to rescue the building?


A conservation charity has published plans for the future use of the building known as the Ayr Station Hotel.
SAVE Britain's Heritage, which helped rescue Dumfries House from oblivion, have set out a series of proposals inspired by 'tried and tested' schemes for large historic buildings which have worked elsewhere in Scotland, including enterprise hubs, artists’ studios, and exhibition spaces.
They say that the building should not be demolished, as a whole or in part, and that the range of new uses proposed can extend the life of the historical landmark.
A feasibility study commissioned by Transport Scotland, but also on behalf of South Ayrshire Council, Network Rail and ScotRail, was published in February 2021, and it was felt by some that the study was leaning towards demolition of the building, suggesting that retaining it would prove too expensive.
The new proposals have been published in a report called Ayr Station Hotel: Proposals for alternative use.

Their plans include potentially converting part of the hotel into a destination pub, with space for events including conferences, receptions, and weddings, with hotel and hostel rooms on the upper floors.
They say that their plans have been drawn up by 'leading' Scottish architects and costed by quantity surveyors.
And they say that now they are looking for investors to take their plans forward.
They suggest the building is an important historic building and as such there could be National Lottery funding worth up to £5 million available to invest in it and that further finance could be raised from other grant giving bodies, fund-raising and some commercial investment.
They include five options for reusing the Ayr Station Hotel and station premises:
  • Enterprise Hub/Arts & Crafts
  • Hotel
  • Hotel/Hostel
  • Mixed use
  • Maximum mixed use including station offices and passenger facilities
SAVE’s plans have been drawn up by architects Smith Scott Mullan Associates, with costs provided by Quantity Surveyors Hardies of Edinburgh.

They are based on the £10 million estimated cost for structural repairs for the whole building supplied to South Ayrshire Council, added to the expected fit-out costs for the various uses proposed. These fit-out costs range from £8.47 million for Enterprise Hub and Artists’ studio use, to £8.8m for a hotel and hostel conversion.
Depending on the requirements of Network Rail/Transport Scotland, renovation of the station itself is currently estimated to cost £10 million, considerably lower than the figure of £25 million for a wholly new station cited two years ago.
Marcus Binney, executive president of SAVE Britain’s Heritage, said: “We have been encouraged to find how many comparable historic buildings in Scotland have been rescued, repaired and given the sustainable use which provides income to maintain them.
"Ayr Station Hotel, though neglected, is an extremely robust, well-built, and durable structure as one would expect from the noted Scottish engineer who built it. SAVE will now actively seek partners to invest in and operate the proposed uses.”
James Knox, co-author of SAVE’s new report, said: “This breakthrough report offers a realistic road map to the restoration and re-purposing of the Station Hotel complex.
"Politicians and the rail authorities must grasp this opportunity to break the current deadlock and with the help of SAVE transform the station complex into a thriving hub.
"SAVE has a proven track record in Ayrshire with its key role in the saving of Dumfries House and the remarkable community regeneration arising from this. Now the time has come to back their plans for the historic county town of Ayr.”
 
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I had the privilege of staying at this fine establishment for a few nights several years ago. I hope it can be resuscitated but I fear the worst. I wouldn't be surprised if it 'spontaneously combusts'.
 

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I had the privilege of staying at this fine establishment for a few nights several years ago. I hope it can be resuscitated but I fear the worst. I wouldn't be surprised if it 'spontaneously combusts'.
I think both NR and South Ayrshire would love to see the back of it: it’s a question of who blinks first in terms of paying to do so. The problem with what this organisation proposes is that they have no prior experience of doing what they do next to an operational railway and station.
 

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On the other hand they do have experience of working on dilapidated buildings and putting them to use.
 

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About time. Not sure whether this will come to fruition or not.
I share your cynicism. I do hope that a resolution is reached and that the building can be saved, but given the past record of the current owner I'm not holding my breath. I would be more than happy to be proven wrong by the owner though.
 

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As a listed building if it was so easy to have it demolished wouldn't the owners have done it?

However the statement about 4th busiest station suggest the leader isn't worried about facts.

If demolition is an option surely better to work with the owners to achieve that, rather than saddle the local taxpayers with the costs of a CPO and a lengthy planning process to demonstrate demolition is the only option, with the potential to lose the planning case and end up with ownership of the building!
 

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If demolition is an option surely better to work with the owners to achieve that

A (the ?) major problem seems to be that the owner will not engage with anyone. Personally I cannot see what purpose such a large building could serve nowadays, even if the huge sum required to restore and convert it could be found, so demolition may end up being, well, the end.
 

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A (the ?) major problem seems to be that the owner will not engage with anyone. Personally I cannot see what purpose such a large building could serve nowadays, even if the huge sum required to restore and convert it could be found, so demolition may end up being, well, the end.
Are there businesses ready to buy the building and bring it back into use being stalled by the owner? Or is it only Conservation charities demanding somebody else do something?

If there's no demand for the building, and nobody wants to restore or convert it, then surely the best thing to do is to tear it down and put a mixed residential/light commercial development in?
 

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Are there businesses ready to buy the building and bring it back into use being stalled by the owner? Or is it only Conservation charities demanding somebody else do something?

It appears to be an offshore owner who has just been untraceable and just absolutely unwilling to engage in any way. It does beg the question why a Malaysian businessman would buy a closed hotel in Scotland then vanish and do nothing with it, but that's another discussion.
 

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I guess the owner and his legal representatives see a site which would be valuable if demolished, (and so want paid ) while the Council/NR /Scotrail want to be recompensed for their expenditure and loss of income, as well as acquiring the listed building for a nominal sum so that the heritage organisations can rescue it for future use. There's a gulf between those positions.

There's been a major financial scandal in Malaysia involving the previous government and its friends (the 1MDB affair ); I wonder if the 'gentleman ' is associated with that.
 

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It appears to be an offshore owner who has just been untraceable and just absolutely unwilling to engage in any way. It does beg the question why a Malaysian businessman would buy a closed hotel in Scotland then vanish and do nothing with it, but that's another discussion.
I thought that the Malaysian businessman had purchased the hotel as a going concern and that it had closed when he 'disappeared'?
 

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A restoration would require a significant amount of public subsidy. I pass the hotel every day and would be supportive of taxpayer cash being used for this purpose but given the state of the public finances it doesn’t seem like a realistic prospect.
 

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The consequence of this Malaysian gent’s conduct is that Ayr station & the hotel, once great landmarks, look like Chernobyl under its scary radioactive coffin.
This man has ruined Ayr & incidentally made travel through Ayr station unpleasant.

Why give the gent six months notice?
Start the compulsory purchase mechanism now.. the previous Ayr administration should have done it years ago...& start the hunt NOW for a purchaser of the land &/or the wonderful building.

I cherish the amazing rail journey from Glasgow to Stranraer & it has been blemished by passing though a Chernobylian sarcophagus.
 

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The consequence of this Malaysian gent’s conduct is that Ayr station & the hotel, once great landmarks, look like Chernobyl under its scary radioactive coffin.
This man has ruined Ayr & incidentally made travel through Ayr station unpleasant.

Why give the gent six months notice?
Start the compulsory purchase mechanism now.. the previous Ayr administration should have done it years ago...& start the hunt NOW for a purchaser of the land &/or the wonderful building.

I cherish the amazing rail journey from Glasgow to Stranraer & it has been blemished by passing though a Chernobylian sarcophagus.
Is there anybody who has the money, time and vision to repair, restore and convert the building for a modern function?
Compulsory purchase is a very expensive way to go about things, and carries a great deal of risk around legal challenges etc. Better to let the building be condemned and then acquire it when it's not half as valuable.
 

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A paragraph in Rail magazine #959 p. 27 says South Ayrshire Council have given the owner six months notice to take action or see it demolished. Not clear what would count as "action".
 

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For anyone living in the Ayr area, there is a public meeting about the building being held by Ayr Station Hotel Action Group at Ayr Town Hall on Wednesday 28 September at 19:30.


A PUBLIC meeting on the future of Ayr's Station Hotel will take place this month.

The meeting, which has been organised by the Ayr Station Hotel Action Group, will feature speakers who will argue on the importance of the hotel for the area.

The building which opened in 1885 was once a plush hotel in its hey day of the 1950s.

But in 2019 a structural report revealed 1,000 defects with estimated repair costs of £10 million.

The Action Group have worked over the past few years to save category B listed building and have called on the absentee foreign owner to sell the building so a restoration can take place.

Chair of Ayr Station Hotel Community Action Group, Esther Clark, told the Advertiser: "We will also have input on the advantages of conservation over demolition and the benefits which skills development could bring to the local economy.

"South Ayrshire Council (SAC) issued a Dangerous Building Notice (DBN) in 2013 to Network Rail and the Hotel owner Mr Ung which indicated four problem areas and was two pages long.

"Mr Ung repointed the Front Elevation and tried to do the Rear Elevation but was denied proper access by Network Rail. The two roof repairs were never done. These are the areas causing most concern now.

"SAC soon has to decide what is best for Ayr. It must have regard to all the facts of the case and to the outcomes.

The Action Group has tried to find and make information available to everyone. We want Network Rail to make good the areas that they have abandoned and replaced with two generations of portacabins along platform 1, and start to use its Platform 4 buildings for passenger amenities rather than rent them out to a joinery company.

"We would like SAC to either negotiate with the owner Mr Ung to facilitate a private sale as almost happened a couple of years ago.

"Alternatively they might negotiate a CPO and perhaps agree a Back to Back agreement with a Trust, as almost happened 4 years ago with the Scottish Historic Buildings Trust."

The meeting will take place on Wednesday, September 28 at 7.30pm Ayr Town Hall.
 

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I presume that Ayr Station Hotel Action Group has the funding to achieve all these aims......

Thought not, another group wanting to spend vast amounts of public money to 'save' an historic but now useless building.
 

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By co-incidence I was there last week, my first visit and I must admit, currently it is a bit of an eye sore to say the least especially as it dominates / overlooks the main station. The rest of the station including platforms were all clean and maintained. Fingers cross something happens sooner rather than later especially for the people of Ayr, they deserve better.
 

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Ayrshire Daily News (https://en-gb.facebook.com/ayrshiredailynews) are reporting that the council has agreed to proceed with the demolition of the South wing of the hotel for an expected £6.6m cost.

BREAKING: Demolition Of South Wing of Station Hotel.
South Ayrshire Council have decided at a meeting this morning agrees that Option 3 in the Mott McDonald Report meaning that Demolition of the Southern Wing is the preferred option which should be taken forward for action.
This option would remove the section of the building currently under the encapsulation works. The report details that the building would require to be dismantled sequentially from the top down as opposed to mass or destructive demolition due to the proximity of the railway and the potential presence of harmful materials such as asbestos. While Option 3 has significant upfront costs of approximately £ 6.6m, it would permanently remove the unstable section of the building, however it will be a complicated
process and would result in the loss of a significant part of the historic building.
 
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£6.6m is a tidy sum for demolition of the wing. I wonder what repairs could be effected for that price and then perhaps the building compulsory purchased and offered for sale.

I actually stayed at the hotel there in the mid naughties when I ventured north of the border for a couple of trips on PS WAVERLEY.
 

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£6.6m is a tidy sum for demolition of the wing. I wonder what repairs could be effected for that price and then perhaps the building compulsory purchased and offered for sale.

I actually stayed at the hotel there in the mid naughties when I ventured north of the border for a couple of trips on PS WAVERLEY.
As repairs were estimated at £10m, I'd guess not enough to secure the structure. I suspect if Compulsory purchase was viable it'd have been tried before now.

Sadly, the owner has won this one.
 

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As repairs were estimated at £10m, I'd guess not enough to secure the structure. I suspect if Compulsory purchase was viable it'd have been tried before now.

Sadly, the owner has won this one.
One would hope that the land and any other uk assets he holds could be seized to defray the costs.
 
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