Bicycles on barred trains

[cjohnson]

What's the procedure/policy if an RPI encounters a passenger with a bicycle on a service that is subject to cycle restrictions? Could they be asked to alight at the next stop? Could they be charged an additional fare (e.g. similar to the way, in theory, they could if a excess luggage was carried per the NRCoC Appendix B (6))? Or are they just told not to do it again, and just have to suffer the disapproving looks and tuts from fellow commuters...

 

[reb0118]

What's the procedure/policy if an RPI encounters a passenger with a bicycle on a service that is subject to cycle restrictions? Could they be asked to alight at the next stop? Could they be charged an additional fare (e.g. similar to the way, in theory, they could if a excess luggage was carried per the NRCoC Appendix B (6))? Or are they just told not to do it again, and just have to suffer the disapproving looks and tuts from fellow commuters...

Bike off at next station. Passenger may remain on train if desired.

 

[W230]

What's the procedure/policy if an RPI encounters a passenger with a bicycle on a service that is subject to cycle restrictions?

Not quite the same but I was asked to get off a DLR service at the next stop for having my bike on it. Subject to the time allowances on TfL, I hadn't realised my bike wasn't allowed on the DLR and thought only deep level tube lines were banned (think this may only be in tunnels anyway).

When the operator showed me the sign, which I then noticed was repeated on EVERY set of doors in the carriage, I was more than just a little embarassed!

 

[tony6499]

Bike removed at next stop usually but have been told by RNO's it is a byelaw offence if they refuse or are habitual offenders

 

[Stigy]

Bike removed at next stop usually but have been told by RNO's it is a byelaw offence if they refuse or are habitual offenders

Indeed. It's not an offence in itself, but if they refuse to leave, you could use Byelaw 12 if he is acting for safety's sake...

 

[Nick W]

Bike off at next station. Passenger may remain on train if desired.

Would the bike not be treated as a security threat?

 

[W.Tregurtha]

Would the bike not be treated as a security threat?

Oh definately. There's nothing as potentially dangerous as a radicalised bicycle that goes beserk through a packed train brandishing a loaded AK 47 before blowing itself up. You're being ironic - right?

 

[W230]

Would the bike not be treated as a security threat?

Not sure how it would be a security threat. :?

Definitely an obstruction though. Hence why they're not allowed on trains in rush hours or anytime in the deep tube lines, as if you had to do an evacuation, it could well make things more difficult not to mention the general space they take up.

 

[Nick W]

Not sure how it would be a security threat. :?

I agree, but since there's a lot of internal empty space, why should it not be treated like unattended bags?

 

[michael769]

Not sure how it would be a security threat?.

The IRA demonstrates how..

 

[EM2]

Byelaw 14 states:

(2) No person in charge of any motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance shall leave or place it on any part of the railway:
(i) in any manner or place where it may cause an
obstruction or hindrance to an Operator or any person using the railway; or
(ii) otherwise than in accordance with any instructions issued by or on behalf of an Operator or an authorised person.

As the timetables and othe rnotices generally state on which trains bicycles may be conveyed, I would say that is an instruction issued by an Operator.

 

[Ediswan]

The IRA demonstrates how..

That was an unattended bag attached to a bicyle to make it less conspicuous.

The context of the original question was a passenger with a bicycle, but where the bicycle should not be. Not the same thing.

 

[Pumbaa]

Before the restriction was updated, I used to travel at about 6am on a deserted service from Watford to London. Almost daily I would get grief, but oddly they desisted when I pointed out the train was 75% empty.

 

[cyclebytrain]

Before the restriction was updated, I used to travel at about 6am on a deserted service from Watford to London. Almost daily I would get grief, but oddly they desisted when I pointed out the train was 75% empty.

I've tried arguing that the train is basically empty (which it is, I get a carriage to myself ) for certain peak time services that I'd like to get a bike on; but haven't got anywhere with that argument!

 

[oversteer]

I agree, but since there's a lot of internal empty space, why should it not be treated like unattended bags?

But I think that would be madness, plenty of stations have bicycle parking on the platforms. Look at Marylebone with bicycle racks all the way down platform 4. And if IEDs are a concern, I think we have thankfully moved on from that, and those with bad intentions are less concerned nowadays about getting caught.

 

[Prairie_5542]

What about those fold-up type bikes?

 

[Buttsy]

What about those fold-up type bikes?

They can generall be stowed in teh luggage racks (certainly the case with HSTs as the train I catch in the morning teh racks are full of 'em.

 

[W.Tregurtha]

Despite what at least two conductors on two differing railways have tried to tell/bully me there are no restrictions on folding bicycles anywhere at any time - including L.U.L. and the overground - unless there is one put on locally for a specific event. I now carry a copy of the national rail cycling policy with me to show any potential bossy-boots.

 

[jopsuk]

Most train companies allow folding bikes on peak services- however there's an awful lot of difference between cheap folding bikes (still take up loads of space) and Bromptons...

 

[tony6499]

Despite what at least two conductors on two differing railways have tried to tell/bully me there are no restrictions on folding bicycles anywhere at any time - including L.U.L. and the overground - unless there is one put on locally for a specific event. I now carry a copy of the national rail cycling policy with me to show any potential bossy-boots.

There are restrictions on folding bikes according to which TOC you use, mine states the Brompton type which are fully folded are allowed on any train but other folding bikes are subject to the same conditions as non folders in the rush hour

 

[cjp]

Not sure how it would be a security threat. :?

Definitely an obstruction though. Hence why they're not allowed on trains in rush hours or anytime in the deep tube lines, as if you had to do an evacuation, it could well make things more difficult not to mention the general space they take up.

Unlike unfolded buggies, pairs of suitcases etc

 

[W230]

Unlike unfolded buggies, pairs of suitcases etc

I agree! Sadly they won't let me on with my bike at rush hour but you can take your buggy on!

Ah well. I guess a bicycle isn't really an essential. Your luggage for holiday might be!

 

[Stigy]

I agree, but since there's a lot of internal empty space, why should it not be treated like unattended bags?

I agree..Pannier bags can also be suspect...