BR 1970 map query

[Greetlander]

This is from the 1970 BR report. Trying to work out why Halifax appears as a dead end attached to Bradford. I'm assuming it's a through carriages to London thing that qualifies it for Inter City status. Probably the same applying to Barrow, Skegness and Heysham?

 

[D6130]

Yes, I think that's it. The map shows BR's plans for Inter-City services. You will have noticed that Harrogate is also shown as a dead end from Leeds....and that the London-Skegness service is routed via the now closed line from Spalding to Boston.

 

[BeijingDave]

So, by the logic above ('through to London'), Huddersfield must have had trains to London going via Manchester and Leeds?

 

[mike57]

So, by the logic above ('through to London'), Huddersfield must have had trains to London going via Manchester and Leeds?

I think Newcastle - Liverpool was considered Inter City in those days. And no doubt the Cross Country services, as well possibly the daily Manchester to Harwich service, and quite a few other major routes

 

[coppercapped]

In those days 'Inter City' was simply a marketing term. There was no specialised 'Inter City' sector or management and the individual regions were responsible for all planning and operations. BR used the term simply to identify what used to be called 'express trains' in publicity and maps aimed at the general public.

 

[Western Sunset]

Don't think too much needs to be placed on the routes shown. For example, Nottingham to Newark looks to be drawn in as an after-thought.

 

[Cheshire Scot]

This is from the 1970 BR report. Trying to work out why Halifax appears as a dead end attached to Bradford. I'm assuming it's a through carriages to London thing that qualifies it for Inter City status. Probably the same applying to Barrow, Skegness and Heysham?

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So, by the logic above ('through to London'), Huddersfield must have had trains to London going via Manchester and Leeds?

In the early seventies Halifax and Huddersfield were served by a daily service to/from Kings Cross. In the down direction this was detached from a Bradford train at Doncaster and then ran via Huddersfield (reverse) to Halifax (and presumably the same in reverse for the up train). Perhaps the map compiler knew there was a train from london to Bradford and Halifax but was ignorant of the fine detail.

Barrow and Heysham certainly had London trains - and I travelled on both.

it does seem to look a bit like a map of InterCity routes including both the NE/SW axis, and it would appear Chester and Liverpool to Leeds and beyond, hence Manchester to Huddersfield being shown. I believe Huddersfield to Euston had finished long before then.

 

[30907]

So, by the logic above ('through to London'), Huddersfield must have had trains to London going via Manchester and Leeds?

No, that explains why Halifax was included. There are plenty of non-London routes there (Crewe-Shrewsbury is visible on the extract, as well as Trans-Pennine).
BTW Peterborough-Skegness direct is intriguing, as the Cleethorpes service is shown via Newark in anticipation of the changes in autumn 1970.

 

[greyman42]

Why is Scarborough on it?

 

[Cheshire Scot]

In the early seventies Halifax and Huddersfield were served by a daily service to/from Kings Cross. In the down direction this was detached from a Bradford train at Doncaster and then ran via Huddersfield (reverse) to Halifax (and presumably the same in reverse for the up train). Perhaps the map compiler knew there was a train from london to Bradford and Halifax but was ignorant of the fine detail.

The train marshalling books suggest this previously extended to Halifax as a portion detached on arrival at Bradford and did not serve Huddersfield at all. from Bradford

it does seem to look a bit like a map of InterCity routes including both the NE/SW axis, and it would appear Chester and Liverpool to Leeds and beyond, hence Manchester to Huddersfield being shown.

I could more accurately described it as a map of main routes

Why is Scarborough on it?

As a main route?

 

[Greetlander]

You're all very kind - it appears the answer is bloke with red pen and the authority to make arbitrary decisions. I'd like that job to be honest, although by day I'm a teacher so I'm not far off.

 

[edwin_m]

You're all very kind - it appears the answer is bloke with red pen and the authority to make arbitrary decisions. I'd like that job to be honest, although by day I'm a teacher so I'm not far off.

Not a crayon then?

 

[Greetlander]

Not a crayon then?

Nah - the crayon is reserved for Bradford Crossrail and the reopening of Woodhead (ducks for cover)

 

[Cheshire Scot]

Nah - the crayon is reserved for Bradford Crossrail and the reopening of Woodhead (ducks for cover)

Can i assume there is a Greetland in Australia as well as in Yorkshire ! ?

 

[BrianW]

Great thread, improving with each contribution; putting in a bid for that job ;-_

 

[SouthernR]

The fiddle yard should be interesting.

 

[Greetlander]

Can i assume there is a Greetland in Australia as well as in Yorkshire ! ?

There is not. There is however an Elland, a tropical Halifax, a Halifax Bay and a Halifax Mountain. We also have a Newcastle with Stockton over the water, and some originally named suburbs like Morpeth, Wallsend, Hexham and Jesmond. Wakefield and Barnsley are also close together and yes they are coal mining towns.

 

[Cheshire Scot]

There is not. There is however an Elland, a tropical Halifax, a Halifax Bay and a Halifax Mountain. We also have a Newcastle with Stockton over the water, and some originally named suburbs like Morpeth, Wallsend, Hexham and Jesmond. Wakefield and Barnsley are also close together and yes they are coal mining towns.

Splendid.