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Caught buying the wrong ticket at Birmingham New Street

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belvita

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Hi all,

On 2nd August 2024 I was incredibly naive and purchased a single ticket from Birmingham University heading to Birmingham New Street, even though I boarded the train at Droitwich Spa (2 stops prior to Birmingham University). The ticket I bought was £3.30, whereas the correct fare from Droitwich Spa would have been £9.50, meaning I underpaid by £6.20. I note that I purchased the ticket through Trainline and it was the first (and last) time I had ever bought the incorrect ticket.

Upon arriving at Birmingham New Street I was approached by officers who scanned my ticket. They said it had not been scanned at Birmingham University and asked how I had managed to get through the barriers there. Embarrassed and trying to find a response to defend my actions, I said that the barriers were already open and I had just walked through. They said that couldn’t be the case as there were officers there too that day. Once they said this, I admitted my wrongdoing. I was then placed under caution and interviewed, and responded to all the answers honestly.

I have now received the following email:

“We have recently been handed a file relating to an incident on 2nd August 2024 when approached by staff carrying out their revenue duties, you were asked to show your valid ticket you offered a ticket that was not valid for the journey you had completed, possibly committing short journey fraud.

You were interviewed under caution for possibly committing short journey fraud.

Further investigations into this matter have been carried out, including a review of the ticket records. It would appear, at this stage, that this may be a case of fraud. West Midlands Trains take travel fraud extremely seriously and is committed to prosecuting all cases of fare evasion to the full extent of the law. Travelling on the railway with the intent to avoid paying the full fare is an offence under the Regulation of Railways Act 1889. Such an offence carries a maximum fine of £1,000 and/or three months’ imprisonment and, in either case, a criminal record. It must also be considered whether this matter amounts to a much more serious offence under the Fraud Act 2006.

At this stage we would be grateful if you would provide any evidence to support the claim that none of the above legislation has been contravened to prevent further action being contemplated.”

I am eager to respond today to show willingness. Can anyone please advise what I should include in my response? I am incredibly sorry and keen to settle outside of court and willing to pay any fine to avoid this. They also don’t say how they want me to provide the evidence - Do I just respond to this email?

I am also concerned about this appearing on my DBS - Will it show on there if settled outside of court?

Many thanks all!
 
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Titfield

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May I suggest you follow the advice that @Hadders gives in these circumstances:

I suggest you write a short, concise reply mentioning the following points:

- That you are sorry for what has happened
- What you have learned from the incident
- That you are keen to settle the matter without the need for court action
- Offer to pay the outstanding fare and the train company's administrative costs in dealing with the matter

We can not guarantee it but West Midlands Trains will normally offer an out of court settlement to people who co-operate with their investigation and who haven't come to their attention before. Expect to have to pay the outstanding fare at the full Anytime rate plus an admin fee, typically around £150.

If you post a draft copy of your reply in this thread forum members will be happy to proof read it for you.


An out of court settlement would not appear in a DBS as you would not have been convicted in a court of law.
 

WesternLancer

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Hi all,

On 2nd August 2024 I was incredibly naive and purchased a single ticket from Birmingham University heading to Birmingham New Street, even though I boarded the train at Droitwich Spa (2 stops prior to Birmingham University). The ticket I bought was £3.30, whereas the correct fare from Droitwich Spa would have been £9.50, meaning I underpaid by £6.20. I note that I purchased the ticket through Trainline and it was the first (and last) time I had ever bought the incorrect ticket.

Upon arriving at Birmingham New Street I was approached by officers who scanned my ticket. They said it had not been scanned at Birmingham University and asked how I had managed to get through the barriers there. Embarrassed and trying to find a response to defend my actions, I said that the barriers were already open and I had just walked through. They said that couldn’t be the case as there were officers there too that day. Once they said this, I admitted my wrongdoing. I was then placed under caution and interviewed, and responded to all the answers honestly.

I have now received the following email:

“We have recently been handed a file relating to an incident on 2nd August 2024 when approached by staff carrying out their revenue duties, you were asked to show your valid ticket you offered a ticket that was not valid for the journey you had completed, possibly committing short journey fraud.

You were interviewed under caution for possibly committing short journey fraud.

Further investigations into this matter have been carried out, including a review of the ticket records. It would appear, at this stage, that this may be a case of fraud. West Midlands Trains take travel fraud extremely seriously and is committed to prosecuting all cases of fare evasion to the full extent of the law. Travelling on the railway with the intent to avoid paying the full fare is an offence under the Regulation of Railways Act 1889. Such an offence carries a maximum fine of £1,000 and/or three months’ imprisonment and, in either case, a criminal record. It must also be considered whether this matter amounts to a much more serious offence under the Fraud Act 2006.


At this stage we would be grateful if you would provide any evidence to support the claim that none of the above legislation has been contravened to prevent further action being contemplated.”

I am eager to respond today to show willingness. Can anyone please advise what I should include in my response? I am incredibly sorry and keen to settle outside of court and willing to pay any fine to avoid this. They also don’t say how they want me to provide the evidence - Do I just respond to this email?

I am also concerned about this appearing on my DBS - Will it show on there if settled outside of court?

Many thanks all!
The circs are a little different to your but not significantly so - and the general approach as to what you should do is well set out in this recent thread that is probably worth you reading -
especially the advice in post #9 in terms of an approach to a reply that you could draft up with this advice

 
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