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Below interesting about former Virgin employee


A 'model worker' at Virgin Trains defrauded the company out of more than £116,000 in a 'delay and repay' compensation scam. Shahid Anwar noticed the system was 'flawed' and relentlessly exploited it over three years, spending the money on food in Iceland and Waitrose amid personal and financial problems.
 
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I had a close friend do exactly the same with refunds but not to the same extent, nobody could believe it. It was so far out of their character.
Were they caught? Many years ago at a London terminus the old blue sleeper tickets were being 'recycled' by a Supervisor.... got caught but not for a while....
 

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I had a close friend do exactly the same with refunds but not to the same extent, nobody could believe it. It was so far out of their character.
I’m guessing you mean someone who used to train new staff - such as me when I started! I’ve also known a couple of people caught processing multiple refunds to their own cards in the same way. That they could do it at all shows that the governance in place at the time was very poor.
 
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No prison for £116,000 worth of fraud is quite something.
 

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Were they caught? Many years ago at a London terminus the old blue sleeper tickets were being 'recycled' by a Supervisor.... got caught but not for a while....
Yes they were caught, I still can't quite believe they did in now many many years later. Obviously I've always know more about the systems we use than most people around me and I've no idea how they thought they'd get away with it.

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I’m guessing you mean someone who used to train new staff - such as me! I’ve also known a couple of people caught processing multiple refunds to their own cards in the same way. That they could do it at all shows that the governance in place at the time was very poor.
Indeed
 

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No prison for £116,000 worth of fraud is quite something.
As ever, it's worth looking at the details. They pleaded guilty and it would appear that their remorse was accepted as being genuine. They will still have to complete 200 hours of unpaid work and 20 days "rehabilitation". In addition there appear to have been some irregularities in the Prosecution's case, though it is unclear if this would affect the sentence. Either way, the Judge has clearly taken the view that the conviction itself, along with the unpaid work and repayment of the money, is punishment enough
 

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As ever, it's worth looking at the details. They pleaded guilty and it would appear that their remorse was accepted as being genuine. They will still have to complete 200 hours of unpaid work and 20 days "rehabilitation". In addition there appear to have been some irregularities in the Prosecution's case, though it is unclear if this would affect the sentence. Either way, the Judge has clearly taken the view that the conviction itself, along with the unpaid work and repayment of the money, is punishment enough
It appears that the time taken to actually get the case to court was taken into account as well, with that being seen as part of the punishment.
 

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No doubt will spend the rest of his life paying this off whilst probably unable to find suitable employment to do so.
Although a custodial sentence would have probably ended any chance of repaying.
 

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As ever, it's worth looking at the details. They pleaded guilty and it would appear that their remorse was accepted as being genuine. They will still have to complete 200 hours of unpaid work and 20 days "rehabilitation". In addition there appear to have been some irregularities in the Prosecution's case, though it is unclear if this would affect the sentence. Either way, the Judge has clearly taken the view that the conviction itself, along with the unpaid work and repayment of the money, is punishment enough
Oh I read the article. It’s quite astonishing even with the detail.
 

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About 15 years ago I had a job in a town not far from my home city, in a neighbouring local authority area. The cheapest option was a service subsidised by the neighbouring authority, and run by a quite small independent firm using small buses . It didn't have many passengers, and was run using tatty second or third hand mainly Optare midi buses. Sometimes I was the only passenger, and I used to chat to the regular driver. He told me the company made a nice profit even if nobody travelled. At first he sold me 10-journey tickets at the regular price of £12 a go, and punched each journey. After a bit, he started clipping the air next to the ticket and winking at me. The he offered me two tickets for £10. I must have looked puzzled, because he explained that, rather than increase wages 'through the books', the manager left piles of these tickets on his desk and said nothing when they vanished while he was away. He confided in me that he was planning to leave and get a job, like his pal had already done, driving lorries for a gravel firm. There, he said, he would be able to leave the quarry with more gravel than was written on his 'ticket', deliver the booked amount somewhere, and take the rest to 'the Gippos' for cash, which he would split with the (also underpaid) quarry transport manager. I began to feel I was in the wrong trade. Not really, though, I have a vivid imagination which provided images of courtrooms, jails, and a criminal record.

Later, I had a colleague (kind of, she worked for the same organisation) who passed claims for fake client taxi journeys from an equally fake taxi company run by her boyfriend, and they cleared £1 million quid over 4 years. They got 6 years jail each.
 
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No prison for £116,000 worth of fraud is quite something.

I thought the same thing when I read the above story a few days ago. At that time, one of the “similar stories” links on that page led to an article about someone else having been convicted of fraud, this time for two failed attempts to use a fake £20 note. Prison for him, of course.

I also find it difficult to believe that the £116k was spent in Iceland and Waitrose as claimed, unless it was on the likes of champagne and lobsters. This was no desperate attempt to keep one’s family from starving.
 

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I thought the same thing when I read the above story a few days ago. At that time, one of the “similar stories” links on that page led to an article about someone else having been convicted of fraud, this time for two failed attempts to use a fake £20 note. Prison for him, of course.

I also find it difficult to believe that the £116k was spent in Iceland and Waitrose as claimed, unless it was on the likes of champagne and lobsters. This was no desperate attempt to keep one’s family from starving.
Oh quite. It's a typical case of white collar crime not being taken seriously and as long as your face fits..
Whatever injustices the various population groups of this country face, class based discrimination is by far the worst and most prevalent and solving it would clean up a lot of other biases too.
 

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No prison for £116,000 worth of fraud is quite something.
- the judge suspended this sentence due to an inexplicable delay.

I'm sure the defendant would put in a claim for that one too...

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I also find it difficult to believe that the £116k was spent in Iceland and Waitrose as claimed, unless it was on the likes of champagne and lobsters. This was no desperate attempt to keep one’s family from starving.
£116K spent in Iceland would probably support a family of 4 for more than a decade, surely? Waitrose considerably less.
 

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£116K spent in Iceland would probably support a family of 4 for more than a decade, surely? Waitrose considerably less.

Perhaps they went to Costcutter. £116k would probably cover a loaf of bread and orange juice.
 

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No prison for £116,000 worth of fraud is quite something.
Proceeds of crime hearing coming up next year for him.. that will hurt more than a custodial sentence, but yes- should have had prison time as well.
 

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Proceeds of crime hearing coming up next year for him.. that will hurt more than a custodial sentence, but yes- should have had prison time as well.
A criminal conviction of this nature will do plenty of damage to his life, and 200 hours of community work and 20 days of rehabilitation will take a serious lump of time out of his life on top of which this has been hanging over him for 3 years. What benefits would a prison sentence offer?
 

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A criminal conviction of this nature will do plenty of damage to his life, and 200 hours of community work and 20 days of rehabilitation will take a serious lump of time out of his life on top of which this has been hanging over him for 3 years. What benefits would a prison sentence offer?
Exactly, I agree, it's just Judge Trackman Long Sentence speaking!
 
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