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Clackmannan and Kincardine stations were close to reopening?

och aye

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According to this piece by Mark Ruskell - The Scottish Green MSP for Mid Scotland and Fife, Network Rail were close to putting in applications to open stations at Clackmannan and Kincardine, when Talgo were planning on opening a new factory at the former site of Longannet Power Station (which isn't happening now).

Without the factory, is there a business case to extend passenger services from Alloa to Clackmannan and Kincardine?


Mark Ruskell: Communities must band together for West Fife rail link​


Network Rail were on the verge of putting in planning applications for stations at Clackmannan and Kincardine when Talgo were on the scene. There could also be a business case for a halt at Culross to bring in tourists by train.
 
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waverley47

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According to this piece by Mark Ruskell - The Scottish Green MSP for Mid Scotland and Fife, Network Rail were close to putting in applications to open stations at Clackmannan and Kincardine, when Talgo were planning on opening a new factory at the former site of Longannet Power Station (which isn't happening now).

Without the factory, is there a business case to extend passenger services from Alloa to Clackmannan and Kincardine?


Mark Ruskell: Communities must band together for West Fife rail link​


I think realistically you've got this question the wrong way around.

Instead, the question should be: is there enough demand to justify what basically amounts to a brand new line beyond Alloa, and if not, why does the chance of building a new train factory change that economic calculation?

Could you extend to Kincardine? Yeah sure why not, the track is there, there's a nice and simple extension to the Glasgow services, let's say a ten mile round trip, and I'm sure you could find a spare 385 somewhere in the ScotRail fleet.

Does it justify the expenditure? Well, probably not.

Which brings us onto the crux of the issue; did the potential Talgo factory change the calculations? Realistically, I doubt it, but it was probably a nice sweetener for the locals, and if you're electrifying the line to Kincardine to link the factory anyway, then two extra single platforms was probably a rounding error in the amount of money ScotGov expected to make back in revenue.

I think this is most likely what we call in the business 'spin' and that actually, NR weren't about to submit planning applications, and instead conversations had taken place with the local authority that most likely stalled when they realised the factory wasn't happening.



Edit: actually on second thoughts I'm certain that this isn't the full story. There is absolutely no way in hell that NR and ScotGov would have spent enough money on design to get to the point of submitting planning approval, and then cancelled it because a factory wasn't happening. If they'd spent the money and were indeed ready to submit planning applications, they'd have submitted them anyway as a political win precisely because the factory wasn't happening, and it's a way of buying votes in an economically underactive area.
 
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stevieinselby

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It's hard to see the use case stacking up.
At the eastern end, the line runs into Dunfermline City but would need a reversal to reach Edinburgh (and is there capacity on that line for more trains anyway?), and without a through service to Edinburgh it feels like you're cutting off a lot of the potential market.
For Glasgow, it's a long way round – Kincardine has a half-hourly express coach taking 50 minutes to Glasgow, which is about 5 minutes quicker than the train would be.
 

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There is definitely suppressed demand between Stirling & Dunfermline. Albeit in small numbers for most of the day we do have passengers for Stirling on most Fife to Edinburgh services. That number would significantly increase with a direct train.
 

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