Class 180 woes.

[harz99]

Just how much longer are the 180s going to be allowed to stagger along?

Grand Central 180106 on 1n94 tonight left Kings Cross 14 late heading North and has steadily lost time, now over an hour late and not even at York yet, if it gets terminated there as had happened before that stuffs the passengers for Eaglescliffe, Hartlepool and Sunderland.

 

[Ash Bridge]

Are you certain that 1N94 isn’t following a delayed service ahead of it?

 

[800001]

Just how much longer are the 180s going to be allowed to stagger along?

Grand Central 180106 on 1n94 tonight left Kings Cross 14 late heading North and has steadily lost time, now over an hour late and not even at York yet, if it gets terminated there as had happened before that stuffs the passengers for Eaglescliffe, Hartlepool and Sunderland.

Is that because of the train?

Or because of the OHL issues near Retford causing delays and congestion on the down line?

Late departure from London caused by late arrival due to all like block because of a trespassed?

 

[brad465]

Is that a 180 issue, or the fact leaving 14 late got it out of path which creates a lateness feedback loop? Or did some other disruption occur on the way to add to this?

180s have their issues, but just because a delay occurred on one of its journeys doesn't mean the unit's shortcomings was the/a reason.

 

[skyhigh]

Just how much longer are the 180s going to be allowed to stagger along?

Grand Central have said they will order new stock if their operating rights are extended.

See here for the previous discussion:

Grand Central application for expansion of existing services on the ECML

Arriva Group’s open access train operating company, Grand Central, has submitted an application to the ORR that could result in a significant uplift in capacity, around 30 per cent, for its services along existing routes connecting both the North East and West Yorkshire lines to London’s King’s...

www.railforums.co.uk

 

[800001]

It’s followed 1D22 it self lost time and arrived Retford 66 late.

 

[brad465]

Are you certain that 1N94 isn’t following a delayed service ahead of it?

Is that because of the train?

Or because of the OHL issues near Retford causing delays and congestion on the down line?

Late departure from London caused by late arrival due to all like block because of a trespassed?

Is that a 180 issue, or the fact leaving 14 late got it out of path which creates a lateness feedback loop? Or did some other disruption occur on the way to add to this?

180s have their issues, but just because a delay occurred on one of its journeys doesn't mean the unit's shortcomings was the/a reason.

I see we pretty much had the same thought at the same time.

 

[harz99]

Well, the inbound working arrived just 3 minutes late so that shouldn't be responsible for the late start, the Cambridge service due to depart Kings Cross 1657 or 9 minutes after 1n94 went on time, and the previous main line service left 30 minutes or so earlier.

If it's not the 180, I guess it could be something like Control holding services at King's Cross until the disruption further had been cleared?

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This would in my experience have been done much the same way at Peterborough before ARS was introduced. It's infuriating to watch, but ultimately the problem was created at Doncaster. Any attempt to fix it at Peterborough is going to take some smart manual working, and has every chance of leaving both trains running late.

Added to this, a non-stop train routed through platform 2 has to slow down very significantly because of the low-speed crossover. This makes it even more likely that the overtaking will delay the Leeds train, and creates a slightly-increased risk of it not slowing down and having an incident, as happened with the Lumo train a couple of years ago.

To be perfectly honest if the fasts from Edinburgh were considered to some kind of special premium train they wouldn't be scheduled to waste 5 minutes stopping at Darlington anyway. They're regulated just like any other train, and the only difference is that on average they'll do the journey around 20 minutes quicker because of having fewer stops.

It’s followed 1D22 it self lost time and arrived Retford 66 late.

Thank you @800001, digging deeper catching up with 1d22 appears to be the reason, so not the 180s fault this time.