swt_passenger
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Oh, quite a while then. I was trying to remember how long the 455s took, not that they’re too similar of course.
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Class 442s - Now at the end of the road and to be withdrawn permanently
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Are any 442's in passenger service?
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2402 already had the AC traction conversion completed prior to departing Eastleigh. Went to Wolverton for further work related to the traction conversion as did 2419
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It's just left Bournemouth depot, quite a bit late. But it's on the move now.
57312 + 2413.
, really need to start checking in on here every dayIs it due a paint job sometime or will it go into service with an identity crisis?
MatthewRead
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Not till at least September when there is a return to a full timetable I'm afraid
Western Sunset
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Nice paint shop at Bournemouth......
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LED lights often don't show up on video, as the flashes may be out of sync with the camera frames.
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2413 spied being towed through Acton Wells around 13.10
theironroad
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Yes, see post # 5,196
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Any time I've passed by that way there's been 442's sitting there and as said occasionally one moving to/from the depot
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2404/2406/2417/2423 are still ticking over and swapping between Fratton and Southsea every day or two, of the remaining units I've heard no suggestion of a return before December and by then it'll be AC traction motored units only I expect as the DC traction has thus far not been a huge success for various reasons.
2401 meanwhile is still lurking at the east end of Eastleigh looking very forlorn.
2401 meanwhile is still lurking at the east end of Eastleigh looking very forlorn.
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I thought that one driving car from 2401 had been designated for preservation?
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At a guess the railway heritage committee has un-designated it, they do that from time to time.
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It's possible. Last time I checked the RHC website I couldn't see that it had been de-designated.
Was 2401 designated in the first place as just an example of a Class 442, or specifically because it holds the third-rail speed record?
fgwrich
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I hate to say it, but if it is still designated they better get a move on as Arlington are getting busy with it.
442401 Eastleigh Works 19th June 2020
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It’s not 2401 designated, the list says:
“Class 442 Gatwick Express Driving Unit”
It’s on page 37
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If you look at row 908 on the same link:
"Class 442 Driving Unit 442 401"
Remember that being designated doesn't mean it has to go into preservation, it only means that if Angel want to get rid of it, they have to notify the board of trustees of the science museum first. It is entirely possible for said board to accept the scrapping of something on the list should they wish - the fact that 401 looks like it does suggest they might have made that decision.
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Out of interest, does anyone know what air conditioning systems the 442s have (manufacturer and type if known)? With the continuing concern about air conditioning potentially being a factor in the spread of Covid19 I’m guessing the 442s meet any requirements set down by the JBC to prevent the spread of the virus.
I would imagine the 442s have HVAC systems. What I am not sure about is whether air is just recycled around the system, or whether fresh air is induced and stale air exhausted. Whether or not air con on trains is now perceived to be safe by passengers will impact how quickly they return to using them. If passengers don’t feel safe they’ll stay away.
That (continuing lack of passengers) in itself could affect whether the 442s will actually be needed or whether there will be sufficient Desiros to cover services in the new normal.
Getting back on topic... Did the 442s need dispensation to run beyond 1st January 2020? And if so, how long does this dispensation last?
Also am I right in thinking retractioned units will need to be tested and accepted before they re-enter service? That and training being the case, I’d suggest December 2020 is looking tight for their re-introduction into service.
I would imagine the 442s have HVAC systems. What I am not sure about is whether air is just recycled around the system, or whether fresh air is induced and stale air exhausted. Whether or not air con on trains is now perceived to be safe by passengers will impact how quickly they return to using them. If passengers don’t feel safe they’ll stay away.
That (continuing lack of passengers) in itself could affect whether the 442s will actually be needed or whether there will be sufficient Desiros to cover services in the new normal.
Getting back on topic... Did the 442s need dispensation to run beyond 1st January 2020? And if so, how long does this dispensation last?
Also am I right in thinking retractioned units will need to be tested and accepted before they re-enter service? That and training being the case, I’d suggest December 2020 is looking tight for their re-introduction into service.
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Full PRM dispensation was issued in December last year and lasts until the 18 August 2024 (franchise end )
Dispensation only applies while they remain on swr network.
Yes testing will need to be done when ac work done.
Driver conversion training will need to be done
Guard refresher training will need to be done, especially if not coming back until December TT, but I've not seen any proposed date.
Only current date seems to be the current emergency (85%) TT will run until September 4 and 442 not needed for that.
Not at present, were taken out of service on week beginning 15th March if I recall. No plans as far as I know to reintroduce them yet.
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Proberbly not until timetable change.
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