class 45 names

[westernpunk]

anyone know why D 60 / 45022 was named lytham st annes when all the others were named after regiments, always wondered

 

[Gloster]

anyone know why D 60 / 45022 was named lytham st annes when all the others were named after regiments, always wondered

To be honest, I doubt we will ever know. The name had previously been used on a Patriot, a class which included both regimental and ‘resort’ names, so it might have been that they intended to name a lot of the Class 45 (or at least the Crewe built ones) after names on the same theme, but only did a handful. There is no evidence of this: it is only my guess.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

anyone know why D 60 / 45022 was named Lytham St Annes when all the others were named after regiments, always wondered

That was the first Peak I had haulage behind. June 1972 on the Thames Clyde Express between Settle and Carlisle.

Great days. But to answer the question posed, I have no idea but in later years did think it was slightly odd too.

 

[Gloster]

It seems that the decision to cease naming locomotives was made at the BR Board’s meeting on December 7 1964 as it was felt that the practice did not fit the new Modern Image that the railway wanted to project. However, names that had already been agreed were still to be fitted: the last was D68 Royal Fusilier in January 1967.

Source: Encyclopaedia of Modern Traction Names.

 

[norbitonflyer]

A similar quirk was that one, and only one, class 46 got a name - another regiment

 

[Halwynd]

There could be a clue here:

Lytham & St.Annes on the Sea Lancashire - Local History - Militia & Volunteer Corps

www.amounderness.co.uk

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From the 1860s to the early 1900s, Lytham and St Annes were visited by volunteer corps, militia & yeomanry from various towns for training and mock military exercises. A volunteer group was also formed at Lytham about 1860 and some Lytham Volunteers fought in the Boer War.​

 

[Gloster]

There could be a clue here:

Lytham & St.Annes on the Sea Lancashire - Local History - Militia & Volunteer Corps

www.amounderness.co.uk

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I doubt that this would still be a reason for the name as late as the 1960s. However, some of the Patriots had the names of LMS resorts, a theme that seems to go back to the L&NWR George V Class.

 

[Strathclyder]

It seems that the decision to cease naming locomotives was made at the BR Board’s meeting on December 7 1964 as it was felt that the practice did not fit the new Modern Image that the railway wanted to project. However, names that had already been agreed were still to be fitted: the last was D68 Royal Fusilier in January 1967.

Source: Encyclopaedia of Modern Traction Names.

Which class was the first to end this naming embargo, for want of a better word? I want to say it was the 87s, but I could be wrong.

 

[Magdalia]

Which class was the first to end this naming embargo, for want of a better word? I want to say it was the 87s, but I could be wrong.

87001 was named Stephenson on 14 January 1976.

 

[D1511]

Which class was the first to end this naming embargo, for want of a better word? I want to say it was the 87s, but I could be wrong.

86s were post 1964, unless their names were already decided upon.....

Edit: 86101 wasn't named until Oct 1978

 

[Ashley Hill]

Which class was the first to end this naming embargo, for want of a better word? I want to say it was the 87s, but I could be wrong.

Class 50s?

 

[Gloster]

Which class was the first to end this naming embargo, for want of a better word? I want to say it was the 87s, but I could be wrong.

According to the same source as #4, the original naming of 87001 was seen as a one-off (they really should have done it the year before to celebrate Stockton & Darlington 150). The two guinea pig classes were 87 and 50, with the first one being 87001, which was renamed Royal Scot on 11 July 1977 and Stephenson being transferred to 87101.

 

[Strathclyder]

86s were post 1964, unless their names were already decided upon.....

Quite likely that those had already been decided upon when the decision was made.

According to the same source as #4, the original naming of 87001 was seen as a one-off (they really should have done it the year before to celebrate Stockton & Darlington 150). The two guinea pig classes were 87 and 50, with the first one being 87001, which was renamed Royal Scot on 11 July 1977 and Stephenson being transferred to 87101.

Cheers. I did suspect that it was either the 50s or 87s, or both, that tentatively broke the embargo.

 

[Gloster]

86s were post 1964, unless their names were already decided upon.....

Edit: 86101 wasn't named until Oct 1978

Indeed. 86101 was the first 86 to be named. Other than the EM1 and EM2, electric locos had not previously been named: that definitively would not fit with the desired Modern Image.

 

[Helvellyn]

Colin Marsden's Encyclopedia of Modern Traction Names has a number of names assigned, but never applied, to a number of Roarers (Classes AL1-AL5, later 81-85), all beginning with E. Guess the decision to abandon names killed that off.