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Consett to Newcastle to be reopened?

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Plans to open a passenger rail line between Consett and Newcastle have been submitted for government approval.
Durham County Council has written a business case calling for the re-instatement of passenger services to the town, which were axed in 1955.
Options for a new route include laying a line through Annfield Plain and Stanley to the East Coast Mainline.

The council's deputy leader Richard Bell said the plan was in its "infancy" but "very positive" early research suggested up to "three million annual trips could be achieved" from a station at Consett.
This looks worthwhile but will be expensive, especially if routed via Stanley. I have heard the less populated but more direct Derwent valley route mentioned recently though....
 
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Consett was successful in winning funds through the second round of the "Restoring Your Railway" scheme.

I'd love to know what their BCR is...
 

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There'll be a few tight squeezes and compulsory purchase orders required I reckon. Well worth it though for NW Durham....
 

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Would the plan be to pull out the cycle/footpaths on the old line and re-lay that with rail? Is that even feasible? It's hard to imagine where either of these lines would be built without significant cost.
 

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Exactly. I reckon there'd be a fair bit more room required than that which has been allocated to the cycle path in places, especially between Consett and Annfield Plain. Then there's the new road(s). Beyond here, the PW is still largely intact and I think there's even space under the bridges for two slow lines (and stations) alongside the ECML.
Going via Rowlands Gill, I think there's less incursion on the PW
 

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Exactly. I reckon there'd be a fair bit more room required than that which has been allocated to the cycle path in places, especially between Consett and Annfield Plain. Then there's the new road(s). Beyond here, the PW is still largely intact and I think there's even space under the bridges for two slow lines (and stations) alongside the ECML.
Going via Rowlands Gill, I think there's less incursion on the PW

I can understand why they’d prefer an alignment which goes via Durham, especially with there being more population in between.

It doesn’t seem too outlandish a reinstatement idea, there’s certainly scope for regeneration in Consett and elsewhere.
 

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If they look as if they’re going to have difficulty joining the two track ECML (if running via Anfield Plain) they could always carry on over it and join the Leamside Line at Washington… :D
 

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I think this is another of those where the first decision needs to be where does it need to go - is it Newcastle or Durham, from there, rather than trying to resurrect what may be a sub-optimal formation of an abandoned / old line far better to look at what is the "best" formation (not necessarily what was there previously).

Too often these ideas seem to be "well, there was an old line between......" but if it's been disused for 50+ years why just re-draw what the Victorians did unless it's the right answer ?
 

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Too often these ideas seem to be "well, there was an old line between......" but if it's been disused for 50+ years why just re-draw what the Victorians did unless it's the right answer ?
The “it existed then it must be reinstated” approach. I think there’s a few here use that logic. But there’s lines all over County Durham that were only ever justified by coal or iron ore traffic. Passengers presumably being a bit of a side issue?
 

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I think this is another of those where the first decision needs to be where does it need to go - is it Newcastle or Durham, from there, rather than trying to resurrect what may be a sub-optimal formation of an abandoned / old line far better to look at what is the "best" formation (not necessarily what was there previously).

Too often these ideas seem to be "well, there was an old line between......" but if it's been disused for 50+ years why just re-draw what the Victorians did unless it's the right answer ?

I’d have thought ideally you’d want to serve Durham *and* Newcastle. A circular route involving both the Rowlands Gill and Annfield Plain routes would achieve that, at cost of course.

Whilst Newcastle is the big place, there are strong local links to Durham.
 

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It doesn't need to join the ECML. It can use the freight lines through/around Tyne Yard, down through Low Fell and then the reinstated curve through Bensham, joining the Tyne Valley Line heading towards King Edward Bridge Junction and up to Newcastle that way. Fully segregated from ECML services.
 

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It doesn't need to join the ECML. It can use the freight lines through/around Tyne Yard, down through Low Fell and then the reinstated curve through Bensham, joining the Tyne Valley Line heading towards King Edward Bridge Junction and up to Newcastle that way. Fully segregated from ECML services.
Doesn't do much for capacity at Newcastle though, and the FOCs certainly won't be happy.
 

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The other issue with the Annfield Plain route is that it skirts around the edges of Stanley. If you've seen that hill, it would limit potential passenger traffic or at least the range that you could walk to/from any station ("Shield Row")

Furthermore, there will be a lot of bridge work needed and from having cycled along it recently, drainage will likely be a major issue as well. Some of those could be dealt with by a new alignment roughly along the A693, which has some very wide areas at times.

I haven't cycled the Derwent Valley (as in the one that drains to the Tyne) route so much recently, but while building encroachment might be an issue there as well, and parts were always single-track, it is mostly in better shape. It didn't help that one of the Gateshead area MPs posed on a branch of the old Derwent Valley route that could only ever have been rope-worked to question the scheme.

Also there is a Google Sites place that contains pixel-image format maps of old railway lines etc. that covers the area in question, with modern infrastructure for comparison at https://sites.google.com/site/waggonways/

Consett was successful in winning funds through the second round of the "Restoring Your Railway" scheme.

I'd love to know what their BCR is...
It may depend on where they are linking to for the benefits. Newcastle is likely to be pretty high due to improving the links from Consett, other areas might be hard to argue.

There'll be a few tight squeezes and compulsory purchase orders required I reckon. Well worth it though for NW Durham....
I would agree 100% from an economic standpoint, politically it may be more of an issue with those displaced; some may be "Old People's homes", and three are several parts of the A693 or joining roads which are level to the trackbed (and no-one wants new level crossings). Both routes would have issues (to name one on each, Rowlands Gill on the Derwent Valley and Annfield Plain on the, well, Annfield Plain route).

If they look as if they’re going to have difficulty joining the two track ECML (if running via Anfield Plain) they could always carry on over it and join the Leamside Line at Washington… :D
A nice idea on paper, but it might pull the BCR right down and thus effectively poison it; unless there is a viable market for journeys via Washington. That would need at least one station in Washington as well. Nice idea though.

I’d have thought ideally you’d want to serve Durham *and* Newcastle. A circular route involving both the Rowlands Gill and Annfield Plain routes would achieve that, at cost of course.

Whilst Newcastle is the big place, there are strong local links to Durham.
The Annfield Plain route converges on the ECML from the south-westerly direction at a narrow angle with the ECML (at Ouston Junction) so that it could only really join to run north; going even into Chester-le-Street, let alone Durham City or beyond, would have needed a reversal on the old railway infrastructure anyway and from local knowledge you would either need a lot of land take or a very tight curve.

For traffic between Durham City and Consett, there is another old track bed used as a Greenway, more or less straight towards Durham, via Lanchester, although that does not seem to be under serious consideration (at least for now).

It doesn't need to join the ECML. It can use the freight lines through/around Tyne Yard, down through Low Fell and then the reinstated curve through Bensham, joining the Tyne Valley Line heading towards King Edward Bridge Junction and up to Newcastle that way. Fully segregated from ECML services.
Again, a nice idea on paper but it would slow things down. On the other hand, there is a redundant concrete-built shunting ramp at Tyne Yard that may be of use in that regard; however it could only hold a single line even in its heyday. Also there is the matter of South of Birtley Junction/Tyne Yard, where there are only two tracks remaining to the divergence point at Ouston Junction (ECML crossover site) and a few bridges where the spare area between the ECML and the boundary fence has either been partly filled in (Bridge Repairs/Strengthening) or small bits appropriated for various Railway Communications/Equipment boxes.

Doesn't do much for capacity at Newcastle though, and the FOCs certainly won't be happy.
That is a whole other can of worms and might not help the business case/BCR if extra work is needed for the trains to have somewhere to go once they reach Newcastle. It doesn't seem to be an issue for the Blyth and Tyne passenger reopening, however. Also the Derwent Valley route would have the Dunston approach to the King Edward bridge and so could access the High Level Bridge with relative ease, if needed or so desired.
 

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Ok, so what stations would be built on this line?

As interpretated from Rail Map online I’d go for:
- Consett
- Leadgate
- Annfield Plain
- Stanley
- West Pelton/Grange Villa (Acts as a railhead for Beamish)
- South Pelaw
- Birtley, on the speculated new ECML slow lines
- Low Fell, once again on the speculated new ECML slow lines.
 

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The route between Consett and Durham goes via Lanchester and used to merge with the ECML about a mile south of Durham at Relly Junction. Traffic between Consett and Durham would be hard to justify imo. It would struggle to compete with a fast bus which would not only better serve destinations on the route but would also be comparable on speed and deposit punters closer to the city centre (Durham station is atop of a steep hill overlooking the city. I don't think commuting levels from Consett or traffic congestion/parking cost in Durham would justify either the cost or the consequence of taking ECML paths, especially given the fast speeds here. It would be an expensive link to the national network imo.

On the Annfield Plain route into Newcastle via the ECML, I'm guessing more paths could be squeezed given that everything's slowing down for the Newcastle approach....? Taffic congestion is really bad on the A167 (great north rd) corridor and there is a key employment centre at Team Valley that's hard to penetrate by public transport from the south.

Ok, so what stations would be built on this line?

As interpretated from Rail Map online I’d go for:
- Consett
- Leadgate
- Annfield Plain
- Stanley
- West Pelton/Grange Villa (Acts as a railhead for Beamish)
- South Pelaw
- Birtley, on the speculated new ECML slow lines
- Low Fell, once again on the speculated new ECML slow lines.
I'd do a station at Beamish village all day. Good synergy.

I agree, Stanley is awkward and on the wrong side of the hill but nothing some innovative urban regeneration and marketing couldn't fix...and Stanley needs it :lol: :rolleyes::frown::arrow:

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On the Annfield Plain route into Newcastle via the ECML, I'm guessing more paths could be squeezed given that everything's slowing down for the Newcastle approach....? Taffic congestion is really bad on the A167 (great north rd) corridor and there is a key employment centre at Team Valley that's hard to penetrate by public transport from the south.
But there is enough space on the portion of the ECML used by Consett trains to add segregated slow lines where stations at the likes of Birtley & Team Valley can be built. See 49:45 onwards;

Another point is that should this be electrified? If there are ‘Consett lines’ built on the ECML with multiple stations along the way this route will be one with frequent stations and presumably steep gradients. These conditions make electric traction ideal and these services can be linked with the Morpeth services, meaning that slow Sprinters can be removed from stopping services north of Newcastle without creating a micro fleet.
 

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I don't see how this could happen at all. Both of the old routes are totally not viable. Roads have been built on the trackbeds at various points, same with housing estates, business parks and the like.
I now live about 30 seconds walk from one of the old lines and while I wouldn't mind trains going by at all (it'd be soo good!) I would think majority of people would object, especially after 40 years.
The only option I reckon would be a completely new line. The original route for the Derwent Valley line was to come up the Pont valley with daft gradients. Maybe that wouldn't be such a problem these days, and having a Consett station built near Number One industrial estate would be alright, but at the bottom of the valley at Swalwell it is massively urbanised. Unless a viaduct is built over all the houses and A1 and all the roads around the MetroCentre the line would have to stop dead at Swalwell.
Not much point.
 

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Ok, so what stations would be built on this line?

As interpretated from Rail Map online I’d go for:
- Consett
- Leadgate
- Annfield Plain
- Stanley
- West Pelton/Grange Villa (Acts as a railhead for Beamish)
- South Pelaw
- Birtley, on the speculated new ECML slow lines
- Low Fell, once again on the speculated new ECML slow lines.
The glitch is that by the map in my previous post, it would pretty much have to follow the NER 1893 route through West Stanley, east of Annfield Plain, which was the last to close (and the current greenway route) and was always able to be loco-worked along its entire length. It also has the advantage of passing through Beamish and is pretty close to the museum entrance. On the other hand, the Grange Villa, or should I say Stanhope & Tyne, route needed static "engines" (hence "Stanley Engine"), as well as having a lot of buildings over it.

Given that it is the speculative section, though, I could go full crayoni-sta and suggest driving a TBM under Stanley and building a station. It is the only way the Grange Villa route could work without causing massive disruption.

I don't see how this could happen at all. Both of the old routes are totally not viable. Roads have been built on the trackbeds at various points, same with housing estates, business parks and the like.
I now live about 30 seconds walk from one of the old lines and while I wouldn't mind trains going by at all (it'd be soo good!) I would think majority of people would object, especially after 40 years.
The only option I reckon would be a completely new line. The original route for the Derwent Valley line was to come up the Pont valley with daft gradients. Maybe that wouldn't be such a problem these days, and having a Consett station built near Number One industrial estate would be alright, but at the bottom of the valley at Swalwell it is massively urbanised. Unless a viaduct is built over all the houses and A1 and all the roads around the MetroCentre the line would have to stop dead at Swalwell.
Not much point.

It would likely end up taking the route of the greenways/railway paths (as in official foot/cycle/etc path on old railway trackbed) which have gradients that locos were able to handle; these routes are largely preserved from development but not entirely
https://www.durham.gov.uk/media/4402/Railway-Path---Derwent-Walk/pdf/RailwayPathDerwentWalk.pdf is a description of the Derwent Valley route, and someone has posted a gps-type map of the greenway that the Annfield Plain route would likely use (at least to the West of the ECML)
http://www.gps-routes.co.uk/routes/home.nsf/openmap?openform&route=consett-to-sunderland-cycle-route

These seem to be the best share-able maps that I can find.

But there is enough space on the portion of the ECML used by Consett trains to add segregated slow lines where stations at the likes of Birtley & Team Valley can be built. See 49:45 onwards;

Another point is that should this be electrified? If there are ‘Consett lines’ built on the ECML with multiple stations along the way this route will be one with frequent stations and presumably steep gradients. These conditions make electric traction ideal and these services can be linked with the Morpeth services, meaning that slow Sprinters can be removed from stopping services north of Newcastle without creating a micro fleet.

There may have also been some realignment of the up/down main ECML lines onto where there used to be slow lines where the Annfield Plain trains would run; while I get that electrification would be useful it might be avoidable if the gradients can be smoothed out. I seem to recall reading that the Annfield Plain route was worked by Class 37s in its later days as an actual railway so maybe it might be possible to "get away" with not electrifying any rebuilt line if it makes for a passable BCR (but it would be a bonus).
 
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But there is enough space on the portion of the ECML used by Consett trains to add segregated slow lines where stations at the likes of Birtley & Team Valley can be built. See 49:45 onwards;

Another point is that should this be electrified? If there are ‘Consett lines’ built on the ECML with multiple stations along the way this route will be one with frequent stations and presumably steep gradients. These conditions make electric traction ideal and these services can be linked with the Morpeth services, meaning that slow Sprinters can be removed from stopping services north of Newcastle without creating a micro fleet.
There is space alongside the ECML here and double bridge spans. Yes, it would require remodelling and the movement of existing lineside equipment, bridge works, etc but then this would be the least of the concerns given the conditions at the other end of the line - see the post proceeding yours. I'm doubtful if it will be reopened too.

Crayons for Christmas.
 

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Given that it is the speculative section, though, I could go full crayoni-sta and suggest driving a TVM under Stanley and building a station. It is the only way the Grange Villa route could work without causing massive disruption.
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But there is enough space on the portion of the ECML used by Consett trains to add segregated slow lines where stations at the likes of Birtley & Team Valley can be built. See 49:45 onwards;

Another point is that should this be electrified? If there are ‘Consett lines’ built on the ECML with multiple stations along the way this route will be one with frequent stations and presumably steep gradients. These conditions make electric traction ideal and these services can be linked with the Morpeth services, meaning that slow Sprinters can be removed from stopping services north of Newcastle without creating a micro fleet.
Additional tracks would be difficult and expensive. A 100mph EMU (also equipped with batteries for the branch) could probably hold its own on the existing fast lines between wherever the junction is and Newcastle, with a stop only at Chester-le-Street (if the mainline junction is south of the town, clearly!). Even running via Durham might be viable for Newcastle considering a maximum journey time of around 18 minutes today between those stations, including a stop at Chester-le-Street, and approx 20km of route reinstatement via Lanchester seeming reasonable to equal or even beat the various X prefixed buses from Consett which all seem to take around an hour to Newcastle via various routes. Running via Durham could potentially give excellent connections to the south. As someone else suggested, combining with Morpeth stoppers could increase the proportion of wired mileage in the diagrams for in motion charging and a greater off-grid range without need for lengthy charging layovers at termini. An advantage of a Durham route, based on the old branch via Lanchester, is the relative completeness of unobstructed right of way.
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Nice crayon.

But your map is misleading as the line runs in a roughly south westerly direction between Consett and Durham so it really is the long way round. Not writing it off though - it's not one I'd thought of. I will post my own crayon later which might help you understand the Annfield route a bit better - it would not serve C-L-S - as well as strutting my own ideas.
 
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Nice crayon.

But your map is misleading as the line runs in a roughly south westerly direction between Consett and Durham so it really is the long way round. Not writing it off though - it's not one I'd thought of. I will post my own crayon later which might help you understand the Annfield route a bit better - it would not serve C-L-S - as well as strutting my own ideas.
I was just concentrating on the area of the new/reinstated branch, assuming others could look up the broader network context themselves, as you have! I realise the route is nearly double the distance between Newcastle and Consett overall, compared to a notional direct line, and although at first that discouraged me strongly from suggesting the idea, it was the fast journey time on the mainline that swung it and changed my mind when compared to the existing express buses. It ought to be possible to do the new branch of 20km in under 30 minutes, so adding a sub-20 minute sprint to Newcastle brings the total to under 50 minutes, competitive with Consett's express buses, and additionally serving Durham, with all its southerly connections on fast trains. Furthermore, the sub-30 minute journey time on the branch looks suitable for an hourly out and back with no intermediate loop required. One double track passing section around the half-way point should allow a 30 minute interval service. I look forward to seeing your ideas.
 

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This is a rough (I mean rough) map showing the two main route options plus yours (in red). The orange one is the Annfield Plain route. Key destinations shown.

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A possible format for reducing ECML conflicts south of Newcastle

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The most viable route in my opinion is the Annfield Plain route. The majority of the old trackbed remains clear, although some short sections of new alignment (or compulsory purchases) would be needed through Annfield Plain and Leadgate. There is (just about) enough space for a single platform terminus in Consett where the original station was located alongside the A692, although there'd be no space for additional platforms, nor would it be possible to extend towards Rowlands Gill or Lanchester in the future. The site of the original Consett station would only work for the Annfield Plain route, were either the Rowlands Gill or Lanchester routes to be built a different station site, likely further from the Town Centre, would have to be found.

At it's closest approach the Annfield Plain route comes about 450 metres from Stanley Town Centre, not unreasonable at all to expect people to walk that, although the issue there is the height difference - the town is 30 metres higher than the rail alignment. An Ebbw Vale style solution could work there, with a modern iteration of a funicular to get people from the station up the hill into the town. I'm not sure the business case would be there for a station nearer the town centre as well as one in Shieldrow, though you could potentially argue that both stations would bring in additional demand that wouldn't be met by the other of the two stations alone.

A station in Beamish village could likely be justified by demand just for Beamish Museum during the summer months, although whilst the museum is closed it would be little used. A basic station there that was only served whilst the museum is open, perhaps an hour or two either side of opening and closing for staff to use too, but skipped at other times would I reckon be the best option for a station in Beamish

I'm not sure there would be much of a case for a station serving South Pelaw as it would primarily abstract revenue from Chester-le-Street. It could be argued that a station in South Pelaw with a frequent service to Newcastle would be well used with there being residential land adjacent, but the DFT would almost certainly try using that as an excuse to wind down the already poor service for Chester-le-Street. Anyone wanting the centre of Chester-le-Street or anywhere on the east and south sides of the town simply wouldn't consider going to South Pelaw for a train and would travel by other means instead. I'm not saying don't build a station for South Pelaw, although safeguards would need to be put in place to ensure that a station in South Pelaw wouldn't be to the detriment of Chester-le-Street.


Next there's the route via Lanchester. Starting at the Consett end, the closest you'd likely get a station for this route to the town centre is next to Tesco. Whilst not too far for people to walk, it wouldn't be as convenient a location for the town centre as the Annfield Plain route would offer.

There would be relatively few issues to overcome until joining the ECML, which is where the major hinderance to this route lies. Without a new diversion for the ECML to allow faster services to bypass Durham altogether (which would need to diverge no further north than Tursdale, and rejoin no further south than Ouston Junction), the Lanchester route is a non starter. The terrain would prevent a grade seperated junction to connect the Lanchester route to the ECML south of Durham, which would mean that even if a bypass line was built for faster ECML services, Consett trains would be limited in frequency to a maximum, realistically, of 1TPH. A line for the ECML to bypass Durham would make the cost of the Lanchester route prohibitively expensive, and therefore for that reason I'd go as far as saying it's effectively ruled out.


Finally the Rowlands Gill route, there's a few issues with this option which I'll break down, and as with the other two routes I'll work from Consett towards Newcastle. Unless you're going to tunnel under Consett and build an underground station in the Town Centre, the closest you'll get a station is in Blackhill, more than a kilometre away from the town centre. Newer housing developments have taken up a significant chunk of the old alignment and would prevent the railway from getting any closer to the town centre above ground. An underground station would likely push the price range out of anything the DFT would consider, and a station in Blackhill would be too far away from the town centre for many people to consider using it over a bus to/from the Bus Station.

The next issue to overcome would be in Rowlands Gill. Retirement bungallows have been built on the former railway alignment through the town, and as the terrain would make any alternative route near impossible to build compulsory purchase orders would be needed, covering around 25 homes.

Finally there's the issue of connecting up with the Tyne Valley line. The alignment through Swalwell is mostly now occupied by roads and there's little scope for a new railway alignment, however the original alignment could be reused by a tram-train using a bit of street running, so wouldn't neccessarily be something to rule out. A tram-train would also overcome the issue of station access in Consett, as street running would allow access beyond Blackhill into the town centre.


My conclusion here is that for a heavy rail link the only viable route is the Annfield Plain route. However the Rowlands Gill route could be viable with a tram-train, and indeed I would be interested to see a benefit-cost analysis for a tram-train via this route - if integrated with the Metro network a tram-train via the Rowlands Gill route could be quite popular.

Again, a nice idea on paper but it would slow things down. On the other hand, there is a redundant concrete-built shunting ramp at Tyne Yard that may be of use in that regard; however it could only hold a single line even in its heyday. Also there is the matter of South of Birtley Junction/Tyne Yard, where there are only two tracks remaining to the divergence point at Ouston Junction (ECML crossover site) and a few bridges where the spare area between the ECML and the boundary fence has either been partly filled in (Bridge Repairs/Strengthening) or small bits appropriated for various Railway Communications/Equipment boxes.
The only bridge that's been partly filled in between Tyne Yard and Ouston Junction is Station Lane in Birtley. That bridge could do with replacing regardless what happens with a rail link to Consett/Stanley as it's not strong enough to handle traffic in both directions at the same time (having lights to control the traffic flow despite being wide enough for two lanes as a result), and is a major bottleneck for the road network. A new bridge could easily leave space for slow lines (and even a station for Birtley) underneath. The other bridge over the ECML in that area, Drum Road, could accommodate new slow lines under it without any work to the bridge itself.
 

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If this line to Consett does eventually reopen, it would be good for this to be served by an extension of Ashington - Newcastle diagrams, which would be in operation by then.
 

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I know Dan mentioned a tram train but I don't know if reopening this as a third Metro line has been considered. There maybe tighter permissible tolerances?
 

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I know Dan mentioned a tram train but I don't know if reopening this as a third Metro line has been considered. There maybe tighter permissible tolerances?
You then get into the problem of getting to the existing Metro route, which elevates the costs massively. Tram-train is also unlikely because there's no street-running to link up to. If this happens it'll be a rail link, unless they go for the Metrocentre route which might leave some potential for the future.
 

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You then get into the problem of getting to the existing Metro route, which elevates the costs massively. Tram-train is also unlikely because there's no street-running to link up to. If this happens it'll be a rail link, unless they go for the Metrocentre route which might leave some potential for the future.
Yes, I know, but I'm now on my second coffee of the day so a new bore under south Gateshead is a perfectly acceptable route option.

On a more realistic note, there is also the option of using the Leamside alignment to join the metro network at Pelaw via south and east Washington. Although it'd probably be quicker to walk to Newcastle.
 
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