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Could more electrification allow an alternative route for WCML freight?

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GRALISTAIR

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relatively straightforward.

but it would have to be Felixstowe to Birmingham to have any sensible level of use, and that’s a lot of wires for not many trains.
Agreed. Birmingham-Nuneaton-Leicester just about makes sense for the XC, but Leicester-Peterborough really is hard to see the case
Unless you seriously want to decarbonise freight trains. H and Batteries just wont cut it. Bimodes of course well may.

Lowest use section might be Peterborough-Leicester, unless I'm missing some trains?
The DfT doesn't do diversionary routes - but ---- it would be really useful.

There's speculation and then there's …. this.
Yep. !!!
 
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Bloody hell, it was a post about a speculative railway line on the speculative discussion forum. Some of you are acting like I've personally offended you. There seems to be quite a bit of hostility(?) on here in response to ideas because the author doesn't know why it's a bad idea.

For the record, I merely suggested the basis of the proposal, not the exact route suggested. No Woodhead, fine. No Chilterns, well I did say it would probably be better if it went the other side of London and used the MML. I hope this doesn't leave any of you too exasperated.
 

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Bloody hell, it was a post about a speculative railway line on the speculative discussion forum. Some of you are acting like I've personally offended you. There seems to be quite a bit of hostility(?) on here in response to ideas because the author doesn't know why it's a bad idea.

For the record, I merely suggested the basis of the proposal, not the exact route suggested. No Woodhead, fine. No Chilterns, well I did say it would probably be better if it went the other side of London and used the MML. I hope this doesn't leave any of you too exasperated.

The point is there are very few genuinely new ideas and a number of posters have explained the issues with these "great ideas", usually several times. And the basic issues haven't changed

I think before posting a "new" idea, even in the speculative forums, it is worth doing a quick forum search to see if it has previously been discussed - if things have changed in the intervening period or there is a new consideration then fair enough - raise it and explain why it's different to before.

Your post raising the "Great Central Railway" proposal again is a case in point - there is no business case for this and has been discussed many times. Much of the "old" GCR formation is gone, it doesn't improve current freight flows which are predominatly Felixstowe, Tilbury or Southampton to the Midlands. So what's changed?

The OPs post again didn't address anything - the idea was to take freight off the WCML but the MML south of Bedford is just as busy as the WCML and to get to Tilbury or Felixstowe would still mean getting around the already congested North London Line - so it doesn't actually address any problems, it simply shifts them about - that's before you get to the tunnel clearances on the MML.
 

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To add to what Bald Rick has posted...

For (a lot) more freight to run Ipswich to Peterborough via Ely, you'll also need, in no particular order...

Ely remodelling (proposed alteady)
Doubling Soham-Ely
Doubling Haughley Junction
Freight loops (currently room for 1 liner at Ely) as the current March, Bury, and Stowmarket loops are too short for most liners.
Resignalling to remove the absolute block sections (Bury line resignalling underway, but the only thing on the March Line is the replacement of semaphores at Whittlesea in December with colour light signals)

I'm sure there's more...
Level crossing risk management will be another significant source of cost. Slots in the Leicester area would be doubtful without some work too.
 

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What about reviving the Great Central Railway proposal? To refresh anyone's memory's it involved taking over some existing lines, reopen some closed ones and some new build lines to carry Berne gauge trains with lorrys on their back from the channel tunnel to Liverpool docks via the former GCR, Woodhead and Chat Moss as well as an ambitious new line from Redhill to Heathrow and the Chiltern lines.

It would perhaps need to be diverted through the North East of London instead and revive DB's proposal to rebuild the MML for continental gauge trains.

The Great Central Rwilway proposal was little more than crayoning. I have no doubt that it would have cost almost as much per mile (excluding stations), and certainly caused as much local grief, as HS2.

ive never heard of DBS proposal to rebuild the MML for continental gauge trains. Is there a reference for that? I can’t believe it was serious, as that would have cost more than a new line.
 
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