Crossrail and TfL taking over other lines

[pethadine82]

Am I right in assuming once this is built oyster cards will be valid, and thus Reading will be inside a zone.

I have also heard that TFL want to take over some parts of the SWT network.
The reading to Waterloo line is one of the busiest in the country and also fares on this line are very expensive compared to the relative distance.
Once oyster comes to crossrail I am guessing the fares will be cheaper, but then what will happen if TFL take over the reading to Waterloo line? Will fares be coming down as well ?
What will be the stopping pattern, as TFL's mantra is to serve all stations, which will elongate journey times. Right now trains call at Clapham, Richmond, Twickenham, Feltham Staines, Egham and then all stations to reading.
If they called at all the stations then this will become way too long.
They are already increasing platforms at virginia water and sunningdale to cope with longer trains.

 

[hwl]

1. Oyster yes but not conventionally zoned e.g. like Gatwick

2. No change in crossrail fares (part of the original CR deal with DfT) though what will happen at Reading and Twyford isn't 100% clear but is likely to be the same as elsewhere.

3. Like Southeastern, Southern or GN any other TfL takeover would be the metro type stopping routes only. The probably scope of the TfL takeover does not include Waterloo - Reading services and this has been covered elsewhere on the forums in detail.

 

[matt_world2004]

Crossrail will be running limited stop services when they take over GWRs suburban services, if there is a requirement for limited stop services on the SWT services it is likely that they will exist in some form.

I remember something in the framework agreement for when Crossrail when the line became devolved to TfL forbidding TfL from creating a situation where there was split operator only tickets, (As well as undercutting AGA on price) which is why Shenfield is in a special fare zone, despite being a similar distance from charing cross as epping.

Even if TfL do not run the limited stop services along the reading waterloo route, chances are that SWT would still be able to in a situation similar to AGA on the Liverpool street, shenfield routes. and the service patterns of SWT will change to allow Tfls Overground service to act as a feeder service for it( I think you are going to see a similar situation with GWR, with a significant amount of GWR services stopping at Ealing Broadway for a simple interchange with crossrail.

 

[coppercapped]

Crossrail will be running limited stop services when they take over GWRs suburban services, if there is a requirement for limited stop services on the SWT services it is likely that they will exist in some form.

I remember something in the framework agreement for when Crossrail when the line became devolved to TfL forbidding TfL from creating a situation where there was split operator only tickets, (As well as undercutting AGA on price) which is why Shenfield is in a special fare zone, despite being a similar distance from charing cross as epping.

Even if TfL do not run the limited stop services along the reading waterloo route, chances are that SWT would still be able to in a situation similar to AGA on the Liverpool street, shenfield routes. and the service patterns of SWT will change to allow Tfls Overground service to act as a feeder service for it( I think you are going to see a similar situation with GWR, with a significant amount of GWR services stopping at Ealing Broadway for a simple interchange with crossrail.

The GWR suburban services running on the Relief lines already all stop at Ealing Broadway. Off-peak there are two per hour on the Oxford run.

If you are suggesting trains on the Mains will call at Ealing Broadway - forget it. Stopping even some trains on the Mains at Ealing Broadway will take out a huge chunk of capacity to what benefit? Passengers can change to and from Crossrail at Paddington to the main line trains which will give a quicker overall journey. There will be seats - half the eastbound Crossrail trains start at Paddington.

 

[swt_passenger]

Am I right in assuming once this is built oyster cards will be valid, and thus Reading will be inside a zone.

I have also heard that TFL want to take over some parts of the SWT network.
The reading to Waterloo line is one of the busiest in the country and also fares on this line are very expensive compared to the relative distance.
Once oyster comes to crossrail I am guessing the fares will be cheaper, but then what will happen if TFL take over the reading to Waterloo line? Will fares be coming down as well ?

I think every one of your assumptions about fares is incorrect, based on what has happened with recent extensions of PAYG into those NE and SE London areas just beyond the original zones, and out to Gatwick.

I'm also fairly sure TfL will not run between Waterloo and Reading, as others have already said.

 

[7031]

I think every one of your assumptions about fares is incorrect, based on what has happened with recent extensions of PAYG into those NE and SE London areas just beyond the original zones, and out to Gatwick.

I'm also fairly sure TfL will not run between Waterloo and Reading, as others have already said.

As I understand it, for Crossrail at least the plan would be to use Oyster but outside of the conventional zones. It *might* make sense to put them in auxiliary zones but time will tell.

Regarding Waterloo and Reading, I'd imagine it's unlikely - it's quite far out from London and I think goes beyond a typical 'suburban' route.

If I had to guess, the routes TfL are probably interested are those currently served by the 455s as 'suburban' services.

 

[D365]

If I had to guess, the routes TfL are probably interested are those currently served by the 455s as 'suburban' services.

How many of these routes, under current proposals, would be taken over by Crossrail 2?

 

[swt_passenger]

How many of these routes, under current proposals, would be taken over by Crossrail 2?

Can I recommend this thread:
http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=129399&highlight=Crossrail+2

It isn't easy to summarise, because the Crossrail 2 branches vary, some become just Crossrail, but most keep a service into Waterloo as well. Post #4 in that thread refers...

The list of branches TfL want to operate includes some on the Windsor side, but IIRC not Windsor itself.