Eastbourne to london.

[adrianboult]

Morning.
I have a ticket from Eastbourne to London zones 1 to 6 .
It says any permitted route on it.
I have to go to Putney Bridge hence the zones 1 to 6 extension.
Could I come back via St Loenard's Warrior Square from CX on the way back and then get the Southern train across to Eastbourne?
Just more practical as I will be nearer CX when I am returning later today.
Thanks in advance for any help!

 

[jfollows]

No, only valid routes are as shown on maps LB and VB at https://data.atoc.org/routeing-maps

Meaning via Lewes.

 

[adrianboult]

Thanks for the swift reply.
That's a pain!
All best

 

[Farningham]

No, only valid routes are as shown on maps LB and VB at https://data.atoc.org/routeing-maps

Meaning via Lewes.

I claim no special fares expertise, but Orpington is in zone 6 and the NR planner will route from there to Eastbourne via St Leonard's Warrior Square by default. Does the fact that the OP has a ticket to/from zone 6 rather than 'London' not make a difference?

 

[jfollows]

I claim no special fares expertise, but Orpington is in zone 6 and the NR planner will route from there to Eastbourne via St Leonard's Warrior Square by default. Does the fact that the OP has a ticket to/from zone 6 rather than 'London' not make a difference?

See https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/oxford-london-z1-6-valid-via-basingstoke.265960/#post-6722352

The Routeing Guide was updated a few years ago to say that the route to a boundary station for outboundary Travelcards should be the same as a permitted route to London Terminals, but I don't think most booking engines have implemented this.

Routeing guide text at http://iblocks-rg-publication.s3-website-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/nrg_instructions.pdf:

A NOTE ABOUT ROUTEING WITH OUTBOUNDARY TRAVELCARDS
(TRAVELCARDS VALID FROM STATIONS OUTSIDE THE LONDON ZONAL FARE AREA TO ZONES WITHIN IT)
The route you take between your origin station and the point at which you first cross into the London zonal area (Zones 1-9) should be the route valid for a journey to ‘London Terminals’, regardless of the zone(s) to which the ticket is actually valid or the combination of London Travelcards being used. This does not affect validity within the London zonal area, where you are permitted to use any eligible National Rail service within the zone(s) for which your Travelcard is valid.’

But I don’t know if the ticket is a Travelcard, of course. I may have assumed it incorrectly. But I think the only tickets to “0035 LONDON ZONES 1-6“ are Travelcards (https://www.brfares.com/!expert?orig=EBN&dest=1072&period=20240401).

 

[Watershed]

Tickets between Eastbourne and London Terminals are only valid via the Brighton Main Line (i.e. Haywards Heath & Gatwick Airport) - not via Hastings/St Leonards.

However, as @Farningham and @jfollows allude to, if you hold a Travelcard from Eastbourne, whilst the Routeing Guide says that you must only use routes into the Zones that would be valid if travelling to London Terminals, this isn't actually implemented by any booking engines AFAIK. It would be quite difficult to do, in reality; some stations from which you can buy a Travelcard don't even have fares to London Terminals, or only have fares with a different route code (e.g. "via X") to those on Travelcards (e.g. "Any Permitted").

Therefore, the OP would be entirely entitled to search for something like Eastbourne to Orpington, buy a Travelcard in conjunction with an itinerary via St Leonards, and travel in accordance with that itinerary. If the website of the relevant operator (Southeastern/Southern) were used to buy the ticket, staff couldn't even make the (invalid) argument along the lines that "ah but that's from [insert retailer], we're Southeastern/Southern".

 

[dastocks]

Sounds like you want a St Leonards Day Travelcard valid via any permitted route. Whilst not technically valid for the last leg of your proposed trip I don't see how that could be enforced if you don't leave Hastings or St Leonards station. Don't know what the price difference would be.

 

[jfollows]

Sounds like you want a St Leonards Day Travelcard valid via any permitted route. Whilst not technically valid for the last leg of your proposed trip I don't see how that could be enforced if you don't leave Hastings or St Leonards station. Don't know what the price difference would be.

Hastings (and its associated stations, including St Leonards) to London is valid via Eastbourne, valid routes are shown on maps (https://data.atoc.org/routeing-maps)

• FV + HC
• HS + CW
• LB
• RA + CW
• SV
• TN
• VA
• VH
• VR

which include via Tonbridge as the original poster wants,

but something like a single Hastings-Eastbourne would be needed for the final leg of the journey.

 

[30907]

Sounds like you want a St Leonards Day Travelcard valid via any permitted route. Whilst not technically valid for the last leg of your proposed trip I don't see how that could be enforced if you don't leave Hastings or St Leonards station. Don't know what the price difference would be.

It's a couple of £, and it risks being spotted in a ticket check between St L and Hampden Pk.
SE actually have a similar fare from Pevensey and W, which reduces the extra ticket cost to £3.50.

 

[paul1609]

Sounds like you want a St Leonards Day Travelcard valid via any permitted route. Whilst not technically valid for the last leg of your proposed trip I don't see how that could be enforced if you don't leave Hastings or St Leonards station. Don't know what the price difference would be.

None of the coastway stations East of the Victoria to Eastbourne Line have "any permitted" travelcards these were abolished when HS1 opened and the Kent (and bodering East Sussex) 5% +RPI escalator premium was in force. The routing options for the coastway/ marshlink stations are "Plus HS1", "Not HS1", "Haywards Heath".
If you want a ticket thats valid via both Tonbridge and Haywards Heath thats the "not HS1"