ELL Who was this thick?

[Nym]

Well, the ELL has never seen that much traffic, but if it was retained by network rail or if TFL would alow proper trains to run on it then that could make more freight rouetes though london, or even just put the link back into Liverpool St. divertions and services to there might be an idea from the brighton mainline or wherever?

I don't know london so you tell me

 

[O L Leigh]

The ELL extension will actually see the line join the National Rail network, which will mean that it should actually increase the options currently available. The TfL blurb on their website even suggests that services will eventually run to West Croydon in the south and Highbury & Islington in the north.

Whether or not there are even any freight flows that could make use of this new route is a moot point, but even if there were I'm not sure that there wouldn't be restrictions that would prevent them making use of the line. For example, I'm not sure diesel traction would be permitted through Brunel's Wapping Tunnel or that such venerable sections of the route would be robust enough to withstand the pounding of heavily laden freight trains taking this route.

As for Liv St; no thanks. We're stacked out as it is, thank you very much. In any case, the new alignment is significantly higher than the old and the option to reinstate the old East London Junction has been ruled out because this alignment now rests peacefully under several feet of spoil.

O L Leigh

 

[Nym]

Shenfeild Shuttle platforms are always fun

 

[rower40]

There'll be a single-track interchange line beyond the ELL platforms at Highbury-n-Islington, to allow dual-voltage stock to get from one line to the other. NLL will become 25kV only, and ELL will be 3rd (or 3rd and 4th?) rail. It's only planned to be used for ECS moves to and from depots, and engineers trains, not for passenger or freight through-workings.

 

[ah-media]

The new ELL will cross the Liverpool Street line at Shoreditch High Street so I can't see how you would have an interchange. The Eastern line runs UNDER the road, the ELL will go OVER the road *one they put the bridge into place in the next few days.

The ELL will then turn 90 degrees and follow the old line from Broad Street going across Old Street and behind Notwork Rail's offices in Great Eastern Street.

If I go to Tesco's for lunch tomorrow, I'll take some photos so you can see where the two lines are due to go.

 

[Nym]

tar, all I have ere is google earth to find bits, from what I was looking at on there it used to join up with the shenfeild slow lines

 

[yorkie]

Nym, I'm not sure what you are suggesting but I believe the current plans are a good use of the ELL.

I don't see how diverting it to Liverpool Street would help, and there is no spare capacity at Liverpool Street anyway. What we need is more through lines, not more lines that terminate at existing termini. Take a look at the RER network in Paris to see what can be done...

I don't understand the reference to the Brighton main line either :?

See:-

http://www.london.gov.uk/londoner/06dec/p6a.jsp?nav=around
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/projectsandschemes/networkandservices/2105.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_london_line#Extensions

 

[Nym]

I was just thinking it would be nice to have the connection there still into liverpool st. so that a diversion could be put in if it where needed, or for using on ECS etc... Where it used to be at shordich if I'm reading wikipedia and google earth right...?

 

[P156KWJ]

From what I understand is that it'll be 3rd rail, using a new batch of electrostars designated class 378, similar to class 376s. From what I can see, the service through back to Shoreditch High street and Hoxton etc. will give the area a much better and regenerated railway system.

 

[class 313]

Thameslink version 2.0?

 

[O L Leigh]

I was just thinking it would be nice to have the connection there still into liverpool st. so that a diversion could be put in if it where needed, or for using on ECS etc... Where it used to be at shordich if I'm reading wikipedia and google earth right...?

You're referring to the old East London Junction.

There are two problems with this. Firstly, the old track alignment for the junction has disappeared under thousands of tons of spoil to a depth of several feet (compare before and after). The other problem is that the new alignment is now significantly higher than the old one.

O L Leigh

 

[Nym]

Ah right, google earth isn't up to date, nor has a releif map

 

[paul1609]

One of the major capacity restraints on the Brighton Main Line is Windmill Junction just north of East Croydon. That is why London Overground Services will terminate at West Croydon rather than East Croydon. West Croydon could be remodelled to provide extra platforms if required, at present it has a rather weird layout as a result of the Wimbledon Branch being handed over to Tramlink.

 

[A0]

I don't think the Liverpool Street scenarios suggested are a good idea - it seems to be pretty full nowdays so I can't see what providing an ELL link would add.

One suggestion which hasn't been touted though would be to extend services from Dalston through to Finsbury Park via Canonbury tunnel.

Now that could be really useful as it would provide a link to both the Victoria and Piccadilly lines as well as GN suburban - whereas at Highbury & Islington you only have the Victoria line and the GN suburban Mon - Fri and only until 8pm.

The next obvious step from that would be to re-instate the Finsbury Park - Highgate line to link up with the Northern at Highbury - which would improve connections from North London to South East London.

 

[Nym]

eye, wish I knew more about london somtimes
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and going to FP could make a proper 2nd theamslink line...