Favourite European Coaching Stock

[class387]

I quite like the EW I coaches on many Swiss narrow gauge railways with their deep opening Windows.

DB intercity stock is very comfortable and so are SBB's EW IVs.

 

[duesselmartin]

Yes, I can agree on that. Let me add the Austrian variation Schlierenwagen. I also like Portugals stainless steel Dorefame stock.

 

[Harbornite]

I haven't seen these in person, let alone traveled on them, but the most stylish coaching stock in Europe IMO are the Bombardier Twindexx cab coaches which have been ordered as part of the IC2 sets for DB Fernverkehr.

 

[Groningen]

That train had problems go left and right on the tracks. Hopefully (the say) that they have solved the problem!

From December 16, 2015: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trfSiBVZgzw

 

[WestCoast]

What's the difference when compared to DB Regio Bombardier Dosto stock aside from the interior modifications?

I tend to find EMU double deckers like the NS VIRMs and Stadler KISS offer a smoother ride, particularly enjoyed the Westbahn KISS from Salzburg to Vienna rather than the RailJet.

 

[rf_ioliver]

I don't think anything beats the Finnish double deck stock with its massive loading gauge and track gauge.

Though VR went for a "minimalistic" approach to the internals...

t.

Ian

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

This one:
It's an SBB Panorama car which runs in a pair of ÖBB EC trains ("Transalpin") across the Alps between Zürich and Graz.
I boarded this one eastbound at Innsbruck and found it brilliant (except possibly for too much sun at one point - there are blinds, but that shuts out the view!).
For added entertainment, there is an engine change (Siemens Taurus) during reversal at Selzthal, and the trains are double headed between Innsbruck and Feldkirch.

 

[gordonthemoron]

The old DB Nachtug Talgos

 

[EAD]

The old DB Nachtzug Talgos

That is a good shout - shame they are gone as it was a quality product.

Being honest Eurofirma coaches, in particular some of the better modifications such as the OBB ones: comfortable, quiet in a compartment and well built.

However, there is something to be said for good old local stock such as DB's modified N-wagen (so the ex Silberlinge). Of course not user friendly by modern standards, but the more recent double deckers are very good in this regard.

 

[sarahj]

DB Bvmz Best 2nd class coach ever.

 

[duesselmartin]

again I am in Ireland, loving the 1960s flair of the Cravens stock
The old Italian FS Centoporte stock was also great. I had the pleasure in 1986 to experience them in regular service

 

[class387]

DB Bvmz Best 2nd class coach ever.

Wow. That would be good even in First.
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This one:
It's an SBB Panorama car which runs in a pair of ÖBB EC trains ("Transalpin") across the Alps between Zürich and Graz.
I boarded this one eastbound at Innsbruck and found it brilliant (except possibly for too much sun at one point - there are blinds, but that shuts out the view!).
For added entertainment, there is an engine change (Siemens Taurus) during reversal at Selzthal, and the trains are double headed between Innsbruck and Feldkirch.

Yes. They also run on Locarno services on the Gotthard route. I prefer the RIC coaches with their opening windows though.

On a related subject, I travelled on a EW I coach on a Ersatzzug formation yesterday from Zurich to Baden. They are great coaches and the thrash from the Re420 leading was immense.

 

[sarahj]

I only managed to travel in a Bvmz once, between Bonn and Koeln, but got one of the single seats. It was a fantastic coach. I first saw them in service back in 89. I was in a Bpmz in Blue/Cream on a IC from Kolen to Muenchen and a EC, the Prinz Eugine to Wien made a cross platform interchange at Wuerzburg. The first part of the NBS had opened. It was almost brand new, had the SIG sealed coach connectors and was in IC red. I then read about them in the IRJ when I got home. In HO form I have them in IC Red, Traffic Red and ICE colours

 

[47513 Severn]

The DB Metropolitan stock is pretty impressive.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_(train))
They are still in service as regular IC stock. The declassified former first class vehicles in the sets must offer the most luxurious second class travel available anywhere with their 2+1 leather seats and wood panels. Even the erstwhile 'Traveller' class cars are very comfortable, albeit with 2+2 fabric seats.

 

[gordonthemoron]

not all the seating in the Metropolitan sets are so good, the 2+2 seating in the original second class is not as good as regular IC, however the business class has been downgraded to 2nd class which is what is shown in wiki

 

[Rick1984]

You can't beat the DB Silberling

Briefly used one from Füth back to Nuremberg.

 

[class387]

The DB Metropolitan stock is pretty impressive.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_(train))
They are still in service as regular IC stock. The declassified former first class vehicles in the sets must offer the most luxurious second class travel available anywhere with their 2+1 leather seats and wood panels. Even the erstwhile 'Traveller' class cars are very comfortable, albeit with 2+2 fabric seats.

Also brilliant. I'm pretty sure the ex-Metropolitain trains are classified as ICEs though.

 

[sarahj]

You can't beat the DB Silberling

Briefly used one from Füth back to Nuremberg.

What, bench seats that was plastic, but now cloth? vinyl flooring. As suburban trains they were ok. But not great. Mind the first class compartments were ok.

I did used to like the original DB open firsts. Some of the seats could swivel.

 

[northwichcat]

Renfe class 599 for me. They were almost new trains on the Algeciras to Ronda route when I travelled on it - nice train for a stunning route.

http://www.caf.net/en/productos-servicios/proyectos/proyecto-detalle.php?p=224

 

[Harbornite]

You can't beat the DB Silberling

Briefly used one from Füth back to Nuremberg.

These look like the coaches used on Regio interregio express services from Berlin Hauptbahnof to Hamburg. I did some research after getting back from Berlin and I learnt that the stock used on those services are Bimz 546.8. I think the ones I saw are a more modern variant, the only German coaches I'm familiar with are Twindexx sets, the older double doecker stock and the coaches mentioned here.

 

[class387]

Renfe class 599 for me. They were almost new trains on the Algeciras to Ronda route when I travelled on it - nice train for a stunning route.

http://www.caf.net/en/productos-servicios/proyectos/proyecto-detalle.php?p=224

Isn't that an unit though?

 

[Rick1984]

Admittedly the Silberling are hardly luxury but there's something about them. Mind you I'm the sort who likes going for jaunts on Pacers!

 

[class387]

These look like the coaches used on Regio interregio express services from Berlin Hauptbahnof to Hamburg. I did some research after getting back from Berlin and I learnt that the stock used on those services are Bimz 546.8. I think the ones I saw are a more modern variant, the only German coaches I'm familiar with are Twindexx sets, the older double doecker stock and the coaches mentioned here.

The coaches here look like they are ex-IR coaches. They look to have end doors, so certainly aren't Silberlinge. I doubt they will use Silberling coaches on IRE anyway - they are definitely not designed for that sort of route.

 

[northwichcat]

Isn't that an unit though?

Yes. There's so many similar threads been started recently that I posted in the wrong one.

 

[Please Explain]

NMBS/SNCB Eurofima for me I6 & I10, French Corail's also come close second.

 

[Bletchleyite]

The coaches here look like they are ex-IR coaches. They look to have end doors, so certainly aren't Silberlinge. I doubt they will use Silberling coaches on IRE anyway - they are definitely not designed for that sort of route.

Indeed probably not when there are end-doored coaches knocking around. However, there are some very high quality Silberling refurbs which are a pleasure to travel on.

Example:

The "Ostlinge" from the former East are (if any still exist) nicer as they have 5 rather than 6 bays in the centre section and everything respaced accordingly.
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DB Bvmz Best 2nd class coach ever.

Indeed. Compartments for those who want them, mini compartments for family groups, single seats for those wanting single seats - something for everyone. Who needs First Class?

Sadly they have now been reseated to 2+2 airline.

 

[Groningen]

My favorite carriages were those Germans ones where you could pull the seats down to make beds during the night. Also the german IC old fashion with 12 compartments where you could pull the windows completely down. And with 200 kilometers per hour and the door open; no complaint in the world from other passengers. An 103 in front of the train was the icing on the cake!

 

[Please Explain]

My favorite carriages were those Germans ones where you could pull the seats down to make beds during the night. Also the german IC old fashion with 12 compartments where you could pull the windows completely down. And with 200 kilometers per hour and the door open; no complaint in the world from other passengers. An 103 in front of the train was the icing on the cake!

Sehr schön!

 

[Groningen]

Normally an Intercity in the 1980's in Germany had 3 or 4 first class, 1 restaurantcarriage and 8 or 9 second class carriages.

 

[Please Explain]

Ost odder West? Sie komm aus Nederland Groningen??