ValleyLines142
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It really didn't justify that high level of frequency - it's not the 75 in fairness.
Don't get me wrong some journeys are busy, I've seen Gems leaving UWE packed but it isn't enough to warrant six buses an hour.
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It really didn't justify that high level of frequency - it's not the 75 in fairness.
Don't get me wrong some journeys are busy, I've seen Gems leaving UWE packed but it isn't enough to warrant six buses an hour.
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Agree about the reduction in service to the 48A. Every 10 minutes isn't really needed. Every 20 minutes is more sensible.
No changes to the X74 after all then? It was reported that there would be changes to this service.
Also what difference is there between the 53 and the new 54? The info on Travelwest just says it operates via Broad Walk. Though personally due to the timings of these services AND the destinations they serve, I'm not likely to ever use any of them myself anyway!
No changes to the X74 after all then? It was reported that there would be changes to this service.
Also what difference is there between the 53 and the new 54? The info on Travelwest just says it operates via Broad Walk. Though personally due to the timings of these services AND the destinations they serve, I'm not likely to ever use any of them myself anyway!
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freetoview33
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Well it certainly doesn't justify 11 buses an hour! (13 and 48A)
But now both are cut there will be only 5 an hour.
My crazy ideas proposed 8 buses an hour which I think is a happy medium!
ValleyLines142
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THarris123
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Trying to figure out how many buses are saved in Bristol in April:
Maybe 1 on 50/51
Maybe 1 on 5
None on 36
4/5 on 48A
2/3 on 73
So that's 10 W reg ALXs gone at max.
I think there might be some further savings made in the year.
Maybe 1 on 50/51
Maybe 1 on 5
None on 36
4/5 on 48A
2/3 on 73
So that's 10 W reg ALXs gone at max.
I think there might be some further savings made in the year.
TheGrandWazoo
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Perhaps the real benefit will be the saving on drivers if they're struggling to cover work and having to rely on agency staff? Wonder if there's some inter working on the 36 or else you'd wonder why do it? Ten out of 31 is a fair start though.
As for future cuts, wonder how safe the 375 is? Also, the 267 has been under review at various times hence the cuts last year.
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The 53/4 along with 35A are just the registration of journeys that currently run NIS. No likelihood of many passengers but just one is a bonus.
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Even more so! 5 buses at the moment is plenty
Problem being that with the current (temporary for road works) traffic lights at the Broom Hill/Park Road junction three buses can come along together! It's quicker to walk up through Stoke Park. Must be causing massive problems on the 5 and 81 as well, and it seems to spread to the 48/49.
freetoview33
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Even more so! 5 buses at the moment is plenty
Well it's still 11 currently but will drop to 5 under these changes. That is a massive cut whichever way you look at it.
TheGrandWazoo
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Yeah but was 5/6 bph perhaps the right number for the demand (rather than the unrealistic competitive frequency)?
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So maybe the 54 will run with streetdecks?
Haven't ridden the full length 375 for a few years, I understand Wells to Street section still does quite well, but south of Street is a different story. Unlike with Faresaver and X31, in which they decided they had lost, perhaps First are still putting up a fight against Webbers.
THarris123
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You're about right on 375. Apart from odd journeys and college runs, it's pretty empty past Street. I would like to see it every 2 hours with a B7 and have it run every hour Wells-Street. That would save 1 vehicle, but it would mean that Webbers win. I don't think we'll see any cuts in Wells yet - they're overstaffed at the moment and i'm sure there's only a finite time to pay expenses for drivers having to go and cover work in Bath.
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As far as we're aware, yes. I'd like to think North Somerset would fund at least something on those two routes.
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According to the travelwest site, the 50/51 route is not being cut after all. Guess we'll have to wait until it comes from First themselves to know for sure.
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"North Somerset Council will procure a replacement for the Nailsea/Clevedon ends of the A2"
And yes a difference of opinion between what was written by JF in his staff newsletter and what's on Traveline regarding the 50/51. I'm sure it will all become clear (!)
It doesn't save any buses on the 5 I wouldn't thought with the extension to Downend and the increase in recovery time, only a PVR of 4 currently, can't see them doing it with 3 and still being reliable. You never know! Is the 48A reduction permanent or just for the summer UWE period? It's been mentioned the 70/71 are to reduced for the summer that was my thinking. But yes will save a few vehicles as will the 73 reduction. I would imagine the Tridents should be first out?
I still think 32001-32024 maybe certified DDA compliant and offered for cascade, they're good for a few more years yet.
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And yes a difference of opinion between what was written by JF in his staff newsletter and what's on Traveline regarding the 50/51. I'm sure it will all become clear (!)
It doesn't save any buses on the 5 I wouldn't thought with the extension to Downend and the increase in recovery time, only a PVR of 4 currently, can't see them doing it with 3 and still being reliable. You never know! Is the 48A reduction permanent or just for the summer UWE period? It's been mentioned the 70/71 are to reduced for the summer that was my thinking. But yes will save a few vehicles as will the 73 reduction. I would imagine the Tridents should be first out?
I still think 32001-32024 maybe certified DDA compliant and offered for cascade, they're good for a few more years yet.
John
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THarris123
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Thanks for that on A2 John - thought they might have to do something. I suspect someone like Carmel or Crosville will run something.
I thought the current PVR of 5 was 5, but 4 would be the right number from April
There's only 2 Tridents in Bristol, so yes they will go, but unless LH are going to move anything to Bath, the ALXs will be next. In terms of DDA, I was told a while ago that the Tridents could be made DDA compliant easily - hope not.
freetoview33
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Currently 32 buses an hour from Centre - U.W.E (13,19,X14,48A,70,71,72,X74) reducing to 26 buses an hour from April.
My "crazy" ideas proposed 27 buses an hour to U.W.E, So not totally mad!
My "crazy" ideas proposed 27 buses an hour to U.W.E, So not totally mad!
TheGrandWazoo
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Two notes of caution
Your "crazy ideas" don't reflect the competitive situation. 26 bph is probably still too high. Secondly, the centre to UWE corridor wasn't the area with the biggest problems
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I wouldn't regard any of these routes as serving the UWE (Frenchay campus) -central Bristol flow apart from X14 and X74 - all of the others were designed principally to connect UWE with the various areas where students live, and continue to the central area to gain extra revenue by picking up intermediate traffic from Fishponds/Horfield etc. to town, also to reach a logical turning point.
freetoview33
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You'd be surprised!
i would mostly agree with that point. we are not in the same state where there is only one corrador to the UWE and to suggest that these routes are all doing the same thing is wrong. what is intaresting compared to 10-15 years ago is the number of buses running between fishponds and UWE for example. even with the coming reduction of both 13 and 48A, it is still a considierable increase over the 581 running hourly or the 690 every two hours before that!
The expantion of other UWE routes mostly reflects the much wider vairety of where students live in bristol now. it isnt just about the centre, glouster road and ashley down as it was in the hay day of the swiftlink bus wars. first were very slow to recognise this and are being simalarly blind in bath where students are becoming ever larger in number in southdown, kingsway and that area.
freetoview33
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Also take into account U.W.E student numbers!
THarris123
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60914 on 376
THarris123
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Good. Maybe they're doing them for the changes in April so when they go on the 10, they look fresh.
Or are you sure it wasn't either 42914/5?
Only if either of those has had fleet numbers removed and a thorough scrubbing / touch up.
If the Darts are moving to the 10 what's going on the 14?
THarris123
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Darts could be moving from Bristol or elsewhere or new Streetlites for 14?
TheGrandWazoo
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Suspect might be more Darts from Bristol? Some ex 72?
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B7RLE must have been on 161 then!
About time some of Bath's fleet received some TLC. It's been ages since they did any.
It definitely wasn't 42914!
That one went east, but 42915/6 are still there. Both were painted about two years ago.Didn't they say that bigger buses are going on 14 or am I getting confused? It's not entirely out of the question that we might see B7RLEs going on there, especially given that 231 is disappearing.
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Another (more likely) possibility.
TheGrandWazoo
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B7RLE must have been on 161 then!
About time some of Bath's fleet received some TLC. It's been ages since they did any.
It definitely wasn't 42914!
Didn't they say that bigger buses are going on 14 or am I getting confused? It's not entirely out of the question that we might see B7RLEs going on there, especially given that 231 is disappearing.
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Another (more likely) possibility.
Thought it was bigger on the 10.
THarris123
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It is the 10 that is getting bigger buses and I think John confirmed it was Darts going on there.
Thanks for correcting me on 42914 Mr Baxter - thought I got that wrong when I typed it.
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Do we know if the X53 has a summer timetable - i'm sure it was hourly at some point?
What do we reckon to X31 and X53 getting new deckers this year?
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69440 and 69445 on 126 yet again - that's all i've seen on there this week, so I suspect they'll be regulars to Weston.
Thanks for correcting me on 42914 Mr Baxter - thought I got that wrong when I typed it.
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Do we know if the X53 has a summer timetable - i'm sure it was hourly at some point?
What do we reckon to X31 and X53 getting new deckers this year?
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69440 and 69445 on 126 yet again - that's all i've seen on there this week, so I suspect they'll be regulars to Weston.