Freedom pass on crossrail services

[Paul B Toovey]

i know there has been a thread already on this but I have a specific related query.

Last I known of, freedom passes are valid from london Paddington to West Drayton (on the national rail). I wish to know the exact route(s) the freedom pass will be valid my guess in london boundaries only BUT there is one thing. Disabled persons freedom passes are valid on the bus anywhere in the country including from uxbridge to slough/ reading for example do in reality the only thing that not allowing freedom passes beyond the London Boundary is time.

 

[Llanigraham]

i know there has been a thread already on this but I have a specific related query.

Last I known of, freedom passes are valid from london Paddington to West Drayton (on the national rail). I wish to know the exact route(s) the freedom pass will be valid my guess in london boundaries only BUT there is one thing. Disabled persons freedom passes are valid on the bus anywhere in the country including from uxbridge to slough/ reading for example do in reality the only thing that not allowing freedom passes beyond the London Boundary is time.

I'm not so sure that Wales or Scotland accept them.

 

[AM9]

i know there has been a thread already on this but I have a specific related query.

Last I known of, freedom passes are valid from london Paddington to West Drayton (on the national rail). I wish to know the exact route(s) the freedom pass will be valid my guess in london boundaries only BUT there is one thing. Disabled persons freedom passes are valid on the bus anywhere in the country including from uxbridge to slough/ reading for example do in reality the only thing that not allowing freedom passes beyond the London Boundary is time.

Assuming that you are asking about 'Older persons Freedom Passes', they are available for use on TfL transport and National Rail as defined by the map at:

http://www.londoncouncils.gov.uk/services/freedom-pass/using-pass/freedom-pass-travel-map

Outside of that area, Freedom Passes, like all ENCTS passes, are for travel generally on buses in England only between 09:30 and 11:00 Mondays to Fridays and all day Weekends and Bank Holidays. I believe that Disable Freedom Passes have the same restrictions. The TfL 60+ pass does not have any validity other than defined on the map in the above link.

 

[PeterC]

Currently all Freedom passes are valid on all Overground, TfL Rail and Underground services, even when they go beyond the GLA area. This means that thay can be used on the TfL Rail service , but not Greater Anglia, as far as Shenfield. This suggests that they will be valid all the way to Reading on a Crossrail service.

Of course politics may get in the way as opponents could use this as an example of mayoral excess.

 

[AM9]

Currently all Freedom passes are valid on all Overground, TfL Rail and Underground services, even when they go beyond the GLA area. This means that thay can be used on the TfL Rail service , but not Greater Anglia, as far as Shenfield.

Which is what the map I linked to says.

This suggests that they will be valid all the way to Reading on a Crossrail service.

There's a lot of difference between extending travel subsidised by London businesses and residents to:
a) Brentwood (zone 9) plus Shenfield (another 2 miles)
and
b) Reading (another 23 miles from West Drayton)
Then consider the politics of the two, i.e., Brentwood and Shenfield are at the easternmost limit of the London built-up area. Reading on the other hand is a large town, apart from commuter traffic has an economy quite independent of London and although a unitary authority, in many respects, functions as the defacto county town for Berkshire. Givein free travel to it over that distance would not be acceptable to City Hall.

 

[Samuel88]

Which is what the map I linked to says.



There's a lot of difference between extending travel subsidised by London businesses and residents to:
a) Brentwood (zone 9) plus Shenfield (another 2 miles)
and
b) Reading (another 23 miles from West Drayton)
Then consider the politics of the two, i.e., Brentwood and Shenfield are at the easternmost limit of the London built-up area. Reading on the other hand is a large town, apart from commuter traffic has an economy quite independent of London and although a unitary authority, in many respects, functions as the defacto county town for Berkshire. Givein free travel to it over that distance would not be acceptable to City Hall.

Doesn't matter, TfL are legally obliged to accept freedom passes on all public transport that they manage. Now under the Transport Act of 2000 they could restrict travel to off peak times but I doubt Tfl would do that

 

[MarlowDonkey]

Doesn't matter, TfL are legally obliged to accept freedom passes on all public transport that they manage.

A Google search came up with someone who asked this question under Freedom of Information.

The answer they got was that the Mayor would think about it, but not now.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/elizabeth_line_zonal_fares_oyste

I can confirm that we do not hold the information you require as the answers to your questions will be decided by the Mayor of London nearer to the time of the Elizabeth Line extension to Reading (which is scheduled for December 2019).

 

[PeterC]

Doesn't matter, TfL are legally obliged to accept freedom passes on all public transport that they manage. Now under the Transport Act of 2000 they could restrict travel to off peak times but I doubt Tfl would do that

TfL legally obliged to give free tube travel to pensioners? Makes rather a mockery of the National part of ENCTS if a facility required under the act is limited to London residents. Or have you just got it wrong?

 

[Joe Paxton]

Doesn't matter, TfL are legally obliged to accept freedom passes on all public transport that they manage. Now under the Transport Act of 2000 they could restrict travel to off peak times but I doubt Tfl would do that

Er, I don't think that's a correct reading of the law.

e.g. s 151 of the Transport Act 2000