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Am booked on the 15.25 Halifax to King's Cross GC train today but just checked and its not running.

LNER sold me the ticket (online) so do I wait for the later GC service that is running or get an LNER service from Leeds?

I can see both companies denying its down to them
 
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Train cancelled on 1 February according to http://timetablehistory.com/times.aspx?uid=C47487&date=20230205

Not good if you weren't informed until more recently.

EDIT It doesn't look like you were informed at all, you only found out today by looking for yourself.

Am booked on the 15.25 Halifax to King's Cross GC train today but just checked and its not running.

LNER sold me the ticket (online) so do I wait for the later GC service that is running or get an LNER service from Leeds?

I can see both companies denying its down to them
Assuming it's an advance ticket specifically for the GC train, your options are as in the thread referred to earlier - get a refund and buy a new ticket or travel on a different GC train. Your ticket won't be valid on a LNER service unless it's explicitly allowed, which I don't think will be the case.
 

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LNER telephone customer service has just said my ticket would be valid on the GC 16:12 HX-KX service.... let's see if that works....
 

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What do you think LNER have done wrong here?
Is there a reason LNER could not have contacted the customer regarding the timetable change?

If so, would it not be prudent for LNER to give an appropriate response to the customer, which would be rather different to the nature of the response that we can deduce was given, based on the original post (which we can only take at face value unless new evidence comes to light)
 

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LNER telephone customer service has just said my ticket would be valid on the GC 16:12 HX-KX service.... let's see if that works....
Your train is automatically valid on that service, as it is the next Grand Central service. You don't need to obtain any endorsement or permission for that to be the case.

In this case of this particular cancellation, as the anticipated delay in arrival by waiting for the 16:12 Halifax-Kings Cross service is less than 61 minutes (18:42 vs 17:56), you unfortunately don't have the right to be re-routed at the earliest opportunity. Therefore you can't force GC to arrange for you to be able to travel via Leeds on LNER.

You will, unfortunately, also not be eligible for any compensation under GC's delay compensation scheme (unless the 16:12 arrives at KGX 14+ minutes late), as this has a minimum delay threshold of 60 minutes before you are entitled to anything.

I think you may nevertheless have a case for a price reduction (i.e. partial refund) under the Consumer Rights Act, as the reason for your service having been cancelled appears to be an ongoing shortage of GC traincrew. This is likely to constitute a failure to provide the service with reasonable care and skill, and/or in line with the information incorporated into the contract by virtue of section 50 of the Act (i.e. you likely chose to buy a ticket for the 15:25 rather than the 16:12 because you wanted to arrive earlier, and so the arrival time influenced your purchasing decision).

It's difficult to say how much any such price reduction should be, and I imagine GC may try to refuse to pay anything on the incorrect basis that having a delay compensation scheme excludes any compensation for shorter delays. But it's worth a try.
 

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Yes it's just a hassle and no seat booking (Probably) Thanks for everyone's help
If you contact them on Twitter or call their customer services they will probably give you a free seat reservation, unless the train is fully booked.
 

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If you contact them on Twitter or call their customer services they will probably give you a free seat reservation, unless the train is fully booked.
You could also sign up to GWR My Account and create a seat reservation there online.
 

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I think you may nevertheless have a case for a price reduction (i.e. partial refund) under the Consumer Rights Act, as the reason for your service having been cancelled appears to be an ongoing shortage of GC traincrew.
I agree with this. I would travel on their alternative service then complain to their customer service about having to change your plans and the inconvenience caused by them amending their timetable at the last minute. If they won't offer you any price reduction at all in exchange for this then you could raise your complaint to the Rail Ombudsman, which is quite a lot of administrative work but it's free and doesn't prevent you from making further claims later. If that's still unsuccessful after the Ombudsman adjudication stage, you could attempt a chargeback for a portion of the money for the ticket.

You could also sign up to GWR My Account and create a seat reservation there online.
Good point. That might be more straightforward.
 

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OK it's not letting me specify a seat; is there anyway to check if reservations are available on a service?
 

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OK it's not letting me specify a seat; is there anyway to check if reservations are available on a service?
You have a counted place reservation, which counts for nothing really. No seats are available to reserve.
 

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OK it's not letting me specify a seat; is there anyway to check if reservations are available on a service?
It looks like 'real' seat reservations aren't available. That could be because all seats are reserved, or because it's after the cutoff for 'real' reservations with GC. They use paper reservation labels so the cutoff may be the day before.
 

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If so, would it not be prudent for LNER to give an appropriate response to the customer, which would be rather different to the nature of the response that we can deduce was given, based on the original post (which we can only take at face value unless new evidence comes to light)
I would say that post #5 indicates an appropriate response was given.
 

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I would say that post #5 indicates an appropriate response was given.
By the sound of it, that was the second time of asking; it also doesn't explain why LNER didn't inform the passenger of the cancellation.
 

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By the sound of it, that was the second time of asking; it also doesn't explain why LNER didn't inform the passenger of the cancellation.
LNER don't even inform their own customers of LNER cancellations. I'm still waiting for an email informing me that they'd canceled my train during the latest strike. I'd be amazed if they were able to inform customers about another TOC cancelling.
 

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That's not been my experience.
In my experience it's hit and miss if you get the email or not. I had two cancellations in the mid Dec strike, but only email correspondence re one booking. Same with their one-click delay repay emails. Sometimes you get them. Sometimes you don't.
 

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Btw am on the 16.12; ticket accepted without comment and a bit of uncertainty on the whole train about reservations, didn't stop me finding a seat.

But no communication from either LNER or GC that the original service was cancelled. Going by the link posted upthread and other comments, this seems to be an ongoing problem. I think in future I'll only book a ticket directly with the company i'll be travelling with.
 

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Btw am on the 16.12; ticket accepted without comment and a bit of uncertainty on the whole train about reservations, didn't stop me finding a seat.

But no communication from either LNER or GC that the original service was cancelled. Going by the link posted upthread and other comments, this seems to be an ongoing problem. I think in future I'll only book a ticket directly with the company i'll be travelling with.
That won't necessarily help you (see above, and other threads)

Why not consider the forum's site? The forum's site will inform you unless some unexpected data error occurs (in which case we will get an explanation from the developers); if you have any issues with the service from the supplier you can let us know.

Another benefit is you get a seat selector (no guarantees that seat reservations will be available of course!)
 

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A useful page to bookmark if using Grand Central is the below :-


The page is called 'engineering works' but actually states their 'pre planned' cancellations at the moment, and advises 'If your train has been cancelled, your ticket will be valid to travel on any Grand Central service the day your ticket is valid. You may also travel the day before or after the date printed on your ticket. Alternatively you can contact Grand Central Customer Support to amend your travel date or request a refund from your point of purchase.'

In all other cases their Twitter @gc_rail is usually pretty reliable in advising of any other service delays / cancellations and the next steps for those
 

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it also doesn't explain why LNER didn't inform the passenger of the cancellation.

For what it’s worth, I’ve bought a lot of tickets in recent years from LNER, for services operated by LNER, Scotrail, TPE and Grand Central. Whenever there have been cancellations or delays I’ve had a notification from the LNER app, except for when it’s a Grand Central train. Based on that, it looks to me like Grand Central don’t / don’t always share data with the wider industry
 
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