Great British Railways vs The Overground

[Fazaar1889]

From my understanding, GBR will run in a concession; now I don't know much about how that works except from the main
"compendium of threads" which says that the DfT will provide a timetable for the TOCs to follow. I believe that the Overground network runs similarly? How well does that work and is it feasible for that to be run nationwide?

 

[Dr Hoo]

Surely most ‘contracts’ - franchises, concessions or whatever - specify service patterns in considerable detail. Is there really any difference in the micromanagement, whether it comes from DfT, GBR, the London Mayor, Merseytravel, TFW, Transport Scotland or anyone else?

 

[SynthD]

The covid-response Emergency Recovery Measures Agreements were concessions. Every franchise is either on one of those or a successor long term contract. We know it’s feasible nationwide because we’ve had it for three years. I suspect it’s industry experts, working whatever government structure happens to be above, making the best of the funding available.

 

[Fazaar1889]

Every franchise is either on one of those or a successor long term contract.

Oh wow I had no idea. Do you know where I can find which TOCs are which?

 

[SynthD]

They were each announced but I haven’t seen a list compiled.

 

[swt_passenger]

TOCs have never really been in full control of their own timetables anyway, it’s always been managed by NR under DfT control of some sort, and any changes proposed have to be approved by ORR, a DfT owned organisation. Most franchise ITTs over the last 10 years specified the required service patterns, if not the minute by minute timings.

 

[Andrew1395]

London Overground is 99% National Rail. Covered by the provisions of the 1993 Railways Act.

 

[matt_world2004]

London Overground is 99% National Rail. Covered by the provisions of the 1993 Railways Act.

Except the contract between the franchisee is between tfl and the company rather than the dft and the company . And tfl charge huge fines for cancelled or delayed trains (£150 a minute for delays) £10 000-£50 000 for cancellations with fines being given regardless of the reason of cancellation (Although can be reduced for things outside the operators control)


This gives more details on how a tfl concession works https://www.londonreconnections.com/2014/purple-reign-crossrail-will-run/

 

[TrenHotel]

Isn't London Overground essentially based on the way Merseyrail was (and remains) set up?

 

[Scanderina]

Oh wow I had no idea. Do you know where I can find which TOCs are which?

DfT keeps a list here: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/public-register-of-rail-passenger-contracts

 

[Fazaar1889]

DfT keeps a list here: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/public-register-of-rail-passenger-contracts

Thanks