Greater Manchester Wayfarer and new NR Conditions of Travel

[Francis]

The Greater Manchester Wayfarer ticket is great value at £12, or £6 concessionary (over 60's). It extends as far as Grindleford in the Peak district on the Manchester-Sheffield (Hope Valley) line.

Presumably, given the new conditions of carriage (below), combined with an off-peak day return Grindleford-Sheffield for £4.30 (£2.85 senior), this combination should now be valid on East Midlands or Transpennine fast trains Manchester - Sheffield, rather than just on the Northern Rail two-hourly service stopping all stations?

I can't see anything in the GMWayfarer conditions which would contradict this. Can anybody else?

The same would be true for fast trains to Crewe, with a Holmes Chapel - Crewe OPDR, for Liverpool with an Earlestown-Lime St OPDR, for Huddersfield or Leeds with an OPDR from Greenfield.

The removal of the requirement to stop at the last Wayfarer area station is a real game-changer.


14.1 Unless shown below, you may use a combination of two or more Tickets to make a journey provided that the train services you use call at the station(s) where you change from one Ticket to another.

14.2 If you are using a Season Ticket, daily Zonal Ticket, or another area based Ticket such as a concessionary pass, ranger or rover in conjunction with another Ticket and the last station at which one Ticket is valid and the first station that the other Ticket is valid are the same, then the train does not need to call at that station for your combination to be valid.

14.3 Some Tickets specifically exclude their use in conjunction with other Tickets. This will be made clear in the terms and conditions when buying such
Tickets, and you cannot use such a Ticket in conjunction with another except as set out in 14.1 above.

 

[221129]

The Greater Manchester Wayfarer ticket is great value at £12, or £6 concessionary (over 60's). It extends as far as Grindleford in the Peak district on the Manchester-Sheffield (Hope Valley) line.

Presumably, given the new conditions of carriage (below), combined with an off-peak day return Grindleford-Sheffield for £4.30 (£2.85 senior), this combination should now be valid on East Midlands or Transpennine fast trains Manchester - Sheffield, rather than just on the Northern Rail two-hourly service stopping all stations?

I can't see anything in the GMWayfarer conditions which would contradict this. Can anybody else?

The same would be true for fast trains to Crewe, with a Holmes Chapel - Crewe OPDR, for Liverpool with an Earlestown-Lime St OPDR, for Huddersfield or Leeds with an OPDR from Greenfield.

The removal of the requirement to stop at the last Wayfarer area station is a real game-changer.


14.1 Unless shown below, you may use a combination of two or more Tickets to make a journey provided that the train services you use call at the station(s) where you change from one Ticket to another.

14.2 If you are using a Season Ticket, daily Zonal Ticket, or another area based Ticket such as a concessionary pass, ranger or rover in conjunction with another Ticket and the last station at which one Ticket is valid and the first station that the other Ticket is valid are the same, then the train does not need to call at that station for your combination to be valid.

14.3 Some Tickets specifically exclude their use in conjunction with other Tickets. This will be made clear in the terms and conditions when buying such
Tickets, and you cannot use such a Ticket in conjunction with another except as set out in 14.1 above.

Under 14.2 I believe that would be correct.

 

[lyndhurst25]

Is there any consensus yet on using a combination of overlapping tickets for 14.2 splits?

Using the example here, would travelling on a non-stop train from Manchester to Sheffield be allowed with a combination of a GM Wayfarer plus a Hathersage to Sheffield day return?

A journey I am planning on making in the future is Wakefield to Doncaster on a non-stop train, using a West Yorkshire Day Rover plus a day return ticket from Moorthorpe to (a secret station somewhere, shhhhhh, pricing managers are watching!) that is valid via Doncaster. The two tickets would overlap between Fitzwilliam and South Elmsall. Would that be OK on a 14.2 split?

 

[Harpers Tate]

....East Midlands.....

Unless you encounter the conductor(s?) who firmly believe, despite being politely shown a validity map, that validity ends at Hazel Grove.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

....I can't see anything in the GMWayfarer conditions which would contradict this. Can anybody else?....

Nothing that I know of, though if the guards on the route got the same official briefing about the NRCoT that I had, you might get into a debate on the matter.

 

[Merseysider]

Transpennine Express ... Manchester - Liverpool with an Earlestown-Lime St...

On at least one occasion a TPE guard has taken issue with this and tried to penalise the customer. They were not charged purely due to the train reaching its destination.

Whilst the majority of TPE guards are brilliant, and will probably pass the combination, it would be worth having a copy (physical/digital) of the new Conditions on your person.

And yes, valid, as there is no gap in validity.

 

[Puffing Devil]

14.3 Some Tickets specifically exclude their use in conjunction with other Tickets. This will be made clear in the terms and conditions when buying such
Tickets, and you cannot use such a Ticket in conjunction with another except as set out in 14.1 above.

I forecast that it won't be long before the Ts and Cs are amended.

 

[gray1404]

Is the concession rate offered to disabled person's too?

 

[hairyhandedfool]

Is the concession rate offered to disabled person's too?

From the TfGM website....

Choose a Wayfarer to suit you

Group £23 - Up to 2 adults and 2 children. Children must be aged under 16. Proof of age may be required.

Adult £12

Concession £6 – For children 5 – 15 years (inclusive) or adults aged 60 and over. No concessionary pass or permit is needed but proof of age may be required.

 

[DaveB10780]

This is a great idea and thanks very much for sharing. Does anyone know what happens if you start from an unstaffed station. Can you buy the ongoing ticket on the first train as well as the Wayfarer or do you have to buy it before or en route?

 

[Merseysider]

This is a great idea and thanks very much for sharing. Does anyone know what happens if you start from an unstaffed station. Can you buy the ongoing ticket on the first train as well as the Wayfarer or do you have to buy it before or en route?

If you board at a station with no ticket buying facilities the full range should be available on board. If at your origin there is only a ticket machine from which you could have purchased a ticket covering the full journey, but from which the Wayfarer is unavailable, it is not so clear and advance purchase would be recommended.

 

[gray1404]

It is a shame the concession rate of £6 is not offered to disabled person's too.

 

[Merseysider]

It is a shame the concession rate of £6 is not offered to disabled person's [sic] too.

Such is life. Why don't you email TfGM/GMPTE asking for such a concession?

 

[gray1404]

all righty