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GWR Advance Ticket Prices Increased?

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CuriousOwl

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I've been buying advanced tickets on a GWR route since October 2023 and noticed that the last couple of months the price has increased by about £7 per return. The ones released for October 2024 have increased by even more (another £10+ increase). Does anyone know why this has happened and if it's likely to be a temporary or permanent increase?

Additionally, does anyone know what day/time GWR release their advance tickets?

Thank you
 
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Advance tickets are entirely unregulated, they can be increased or decreased without notice, and even completely withdrawn if necessary.

Commuters who moved out of London during COVID are finding out the hard way that they cannot rely on cheap Advance fares now that most businesses are moving increasingly towards hybrid working - and are now paying very expensive fares indeed.

It's part of yield management strategies, like airline pricing - the price fluctuates to try to fill trains at the very most that the potential market or customer is willing to pay. In some cases, fares are raised to put people off travelling entirely, often when a network does not have capacity available that day etc.

On the whole, trains are busier than ever - demand is high - therefore you need to try spread out demand by discouraging passengers from taking particularly busy services by pricing them on to less attractive alternatives with more capacity available, usually at quieter times of the day.

A TOC like GWR will see extremely high demand over summer / warmer months because of the nature of their geography/network and the lack of other viable alternatives, e.g. flights between London and Devon/Cornwall.
 

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Perhaps it's because they don’t have enough trains? A load of money was paid out to modify and keep the shortened HST’s going and in use on the Cardiff to south-west route. Then they decided to keep these going was too expensive so switched to using 5 car Class 800’s as all stops trains on this route. That’s the reason why 5 car trains now show up on many services on the London routes. Then throw in the fact that they are supposed to be using 5 coach trains on the Portsmouth to Cardiff route - yet often they are shorter leading to overcrowding. So, they raise the prices to reduce demand.

Of course, what should have happened long ago is an order for new trains for those routes that don’t go to London.

Grand Union operating Carmarthen to London can’t come soon enough.

"Services are currently planned to be operated by new build bi-mode trains operating between Carmarthen and London, calling at Llanelli then Gowerton, Cardiff Central, Newport, Severn Tunnel Junction then Bristol Parkway before operating non-stop onwards to London The use of Gowerton and then Parc Felindre as a parkway station for Swansea will reduce journey times between these parts of southwest Wales and Cardiff and London by around 20 minutes".
 

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Advance tickets are entirely unregulated, they can be increased or decreased without notice, and even completely withdrawn if necessary.

Commuters who moved out of London during COVID are finding out the hard way that they cannot rely on cheap Advance fares now that most businesses are moving increasingly towards hybrid working - and are now paying very expensive fares indeed.

It's part of yield management strategies, like airline pricing - the price fluctuates to try to fill trains at the very most that the potential market or customer is willing to pay. In some cases, fares are raised to put people off travelling entirely, often when a network does not have capacity available that day etc.

On the whole, trains are busier than ever - demand is high - therefore you need to try spread out demand by discouraging passengers from taking particularly busy services by pricing them on to less attractive alternatives with more capacity available, usually at quieter times of the day.

A TOC like GWR will see extremely high demand over summer / warmer months because of the nature of their geography/network and the lack of other viable alternatives, e.g. flights between London and Devon/Cornwall.
Bizarrely in Greater Anglia land you can buy Advance tickets to Liverpool St. for less than 65% of the cost of the off peak return on key peak trains in September ??
 

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Bizarrely in Greater Anglia land you can buy Advance tickets to Liverpool St. for less than 65% of the cost of the off peak return on key peak trains in September ??
And in the past I have found some GWR advances that are cheaper through to some stations in Anglia, than for the nearer Paddington or central London Elizabeth line stations.

Guessing they fall into different pricing pots, and some sell faster than others
 

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And in the past I have found some GWR advances that are cheaper through to some stations in Anglia, than for the nearer Paddington or central London Elizabeth line stations.
They typically aren't "GWR advances" when they are through tickets to East Anglia beyond Ipswich. The best GWR can do with those is restrict the quotas. Greater Anglia price flows like Bath to Norwich.

GWR advances now tend to only be available at pricing points close to half the flexible ticket price, even at times when there would be expected to be plenty of spare capacity.
 

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Same with Avanti, I seen London to Glasgow advances north of £150 one way. This wasn't last minute too.
 

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They typically aren't "GWR advances" when they are through tickets to East Anglia beyond Ipswich. The best GWR can do with those is restrict the quotas. Greater Anglia price flows like Bath to Norwich.

GWR advances now tend to only be available at pricing points close to half the flexible ticket price, even at times when there would be expected to be plenty of spare capacity.
GA even price Penzance to Norwich !!!
 

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Yes, and GWR basically block any availability as far as I can see so they can't be bought in practice.
So Granny Smith that has never heard of split ticketing will end up buying walk up tickets (and GA don't have super off peak tier for this flow either) Meanwhile DfT get excited about new Advance tickets for very short journeys like Norwich to Stowmarket with small savings ??
 
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Yes, and GWR basically block any availability as far as I can see so they can't be bought in practice.
If GWR didn't want these tickets, they'd just tell Greater Anglia to remove them. GWR would have had to agree to the initial creation of these fares, and reach agreement with Greater Anglia as to how the revenue is split, in addition to specifying quota. The quota will just be set low against each of the tiers. Ultimately there's no need to play games around blocking availablity.
 

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If GWR didn't want these tickets, they'd just tell Greater Anglia to remove them. GWR would have had to agree to the initial creation of these fares, and reach agreement with Greater Anglia as to how the revenue is split, in addition to specifying quota. The quota will just be set low against each of the tiers. Ultimately there's no need to play games around blocking availablity.
I realise that you are talking from an informed position, but to the outside view the observation that there is practically no availablity (other than some nights on the Night Riviera and limited other services) of advances from Penzance to Norwich suggests that the quota may be set to a very low number.

I note that on 18 July, looking at GWR's booking engine, an advance can be had for £56.50 from Penzance to Norwich on the 0605 departure, changing in London and using either the Elizabeth Line or London Underground to get between Paddington and Liverpool Street, but not on any other service.

This incidentally undercuts the £60.50 GWR want for Penzance to Paddington for the same service. Admittedly, the 0605 is the cheapest departure of that day for Penzance to Paddington advances, but £56.50 isn't the most expensive of the Greater Anglia priced advances for the flow. The advance price steps are £34.00, £40.00, £47.50, £56.50, £65.00 and £81.00.

If, as you say, GWR have to agree to Greater Anglia's pricing, then why don't they just influence Greater Anglia to hike the prices and release a quota on more services? I would understand the position more if GWR had sold out of all their own advances for the route, but that isn't the case.
 

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and a 1st class Advance is only available with the sleeper, which doesn't have any 1st class........
 
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