GWR Waterloo and Euston

[brad465]

2tph to Euston will work I expect.

They won't go to Waterloo, takes too long.

They can, and Waterloo isnt happening

So what was the point of the Waterloo IET run(s) then?

 

[anthony263]

Pity there's no way to terminate at Olympia these days but probably need LUL to run regular district line services ti the station

Be interesting to see both sleepers at Euston

 

[Snow1964]

They won't go to Waterloo, takes too long.

Could anything go from Westbury via Salisbury to Waterloo, or be diverted via West Curve to rebuilt Reading West (instead of Reading), Basingstoke (reverse) and Waterloo?

 

[The Planner]

So what was the point of the Waterloo IET run(s) then?

No idea. Proves they can get there I suppose.

Could anything go from Westbury via Salisbury to Waterloo, or be diverted via West Curve to rebuilt Reading West (instead of Reading), Basingstoke (reverse) and Waterloo?

Would take even longer.

 

[Woolos 22]

Could anything go from Westbury via Salisbury to Waterloo, or be diverted via West Curve to rebuilt Reading West (instead of Reading), Basingstoke (reverse) and

Previous when work was done on a bank holidays south wales trains went into Marylebone via Banbury and bristol and south west went to waterloo via Basingstoke and Reading. So why not now.

 

[vikingdriver]

Previous when work was done on a bank holidays south wales trains went into Marylebone via Banbury and bristol and south west went to waterloo via Basingstoke and Reading. So why not now.

We had an IET come over to Salisbury recently.

 

[Parallel]

No idea. Proves they can get there I suppose.

Would take even longer.

I think it was to do with testing if it would work operationally - I understand the answer was no as there wasn’t sufficient clearance for wheelchair users to disembark at the west end of the platforms.

 

[JJmoogle]

No, 800s aren't cleared.

Do we have any ideas where Cotswold trains are ending up, I assume it's Reading so I'd have to be changing onto Chiltern(oxford) or SWR(Reading) if there's nothing going closer to TfL land, actually come to think of it, what's happening to the Elizabeth between Reading and Paddington.

 

[Snow1964]

what's happening to the Elizabeth between Reading and Paddington.

There are many stages of the build, there are diaphragm walls that need to be dug and concreted which run diagonally across the tracks, so in simple terms need to lift track, do work, put track back. Then there is a capping slab of the hole (again lift track, cast slab, put track back), these all relate to the low level HS2 lines. Once the slab is cast, can dig under it. Finally can build the platforms in sequence, and once ready slew tracks into them.

So basically there are periods when the Elizabeth line will not be able to run through Old Oak area because there will be temporary gap in track. My understanding is will terminate at Westbourne Park reversing sidings, and a limited service will run west of Acton area, with passengers having to use District or Central to connect to central London.

Obviously the actual work is lot more complicated than quick summary of how it affects Elizabeth line

 

[The Planner]

Do we have any ideas where Cotswold trains are ending up, I assume it's Reading so I'd have to be changing onto Chiltern(oxford) or SWR(Reading) if there's nothing going closer to TfL land, actually come to think of it, what's happening to the Elizabeth between Reading and Paddington.

Not until GWR bid the timetable no. They may run them to Oxford, Reading or Eailing.

 

[12LDA28C]

Previous when work was done on a bank holidays south wales trains went into Marylebone via Banbury and bristol and south west went to waterloo via Basingstoke and Reading. So why not now.

Because HSTs were passed for Marylebone and as has been stated more than once in this thread, IETs are not passed for Marylebone.

 

[Horizon22]

Do we have any ideas where Cotswold trains are ending up, I assume it's Reading so I'd have to be changing onto Chiltern(oxford) or SWR(Reading) if there's nothing going closer to TfL land, actually come to think of it, what's happening to the Elizabeth between Reading and Paddington.

Probably as far as Reading - Ealing Broadway. If the lines towards Willesden Junction (Poplars) are electrified, there is potential for a passenger service diversion but that is unlikely and may be more likely for stock moves.

 

[CHAPS2034]

I hope the (in)famous Euston gate-line staff will be properly briefed...

 

[Bletchleyite]

I hope the (in)famous Euston gate-line staff will be properly briefed...

They don't do anything for TOCs other than Avanti so they'll probably just go "green train, ignore".

 

[The Planner]

Probably as far as Reading - Ealing Broadway. If the lines towards Willesden Junction (Poplars) are electrified, there is potential for a passenger service diversion but that is unlikely and may be more likely for stock moves.

Considering the first diversions will be Christmas, wires are a tad unlikely.

 

[Horizon22]

Considering the first diversions will be Christmas, wires are a tad unlikely.

Indeed, I mean moving forward.

 

[jimm]

Do we have any ideas where Cotswold trains are ending up, I assume it's Reading so I'd have to be changing onto Chiltern(oxford) or SWR(Reading) if there's nothing going closer to TfL land, actually come to think of it, what's happening to the Elizabeth between Reading and Paddington.

The odds are that Cotswold Line trains will run to and from Reading - this has been the practice for a long time now when there is no access to Paddington.

It gives passengers to/from London the obvious option of changing at Oxford to/from Chiltern, which avoids mixing them up with other GWR passengers affected by the disruption - and Chiltern are used to handling the extra passengers.

But if people do want to try their luck with the other options then they are all available with a Reading change, whether that is Euston, SWR's Waterloo route or GWR services to/from Ealing for connections with the Underground - or the Elizabeth Line, should it be running past Old Oak Common, depending on what work is taking place.

 

[MP33]

I saw a GWR train at Euston on Friday. Looking at the people standing around and on the train, it appeared to be a staff excursion.

 

[Clarence Yard]

It was a test train so there will be a number of people on it. When you do compatibility tests, there are a number of elements that have to be checked. On the Turbos in the west, a lot of this work was done at night.

 

[class ep-09]

Probably as far as Reading - Ealing Broadway. If the lines towards Willesden Junction (Poplars) are electrified, there is potential for a passenger service diversion but that is unlikely and may be more likely for stock moves.

800’s are bi-modal no need for wires.

 

[Horizon22]

800’s are bi-modal no need for wires.

I was referring to Elizabeth line services & the 345 fleet.

 

[class ep-09]

I was referring to Elizabeth line services & the 345 fleet.

The title of the tread is about GWR services .

 

[Fermiboson]

Is running to Clapham Jct an option? Or over the Dudding Hill Line to MML and St Pancras/West Hampstead/etc?

 

[The Planner]

Is running to Clapham Jct an option? Or over the Dudding Hill Line to MML and St Pancras/West Hampstead/etc?

Clapham Jn isnt central London and St Pancras would take too long. There is still an element of reasonable journey time to this.

 

[Horizon22]

The title of the tread is about GWR services .

And the post I was replying to was asking about Elizabeth line services too. I’m fully aware of what GWR’s stock is capable of.

 

[Benjwri]

Clapham Jn isnt central London and St Pancras would take too long. There is still an element of reasonable journey time to this.

Not to mention the classic issue of running anything into St Pancras, that it doesn’t have TPWS and AWS installed, and the 800s do not have KVB, plus no easy way to get people onto the platforms without compromising the security of other platforms.

 

[JJmoogle]

Not to mention the classic issue of running anything into St Pancras, that it doesn’t have TPWS and AWS installed, and the 800s do not have KVB, plus no easy way to get people onto the platforms without compromising the security of other platforms.

St Pancras MML is almost entirely seperate from the other side of it so there aren't security or signalling concerns, regardless the dudding hill line is far, far too slow and the capacity of the 4 MML platforms is already too full so it's not worth considering over Euston

 

[Mark J]

I wonder if these fares will be valid on GWR services from Reading to Waterloo, during the diversion period...

After all, GWR services would be going via Staines.

(Edit: If it does happen to be the case later in the year.)

 

[The Planner]

I wonder if these fares will be valid on GWR services from Reading to Waterloo, during the diversion period...

After all, GWR services would be going via Staines.

GWR won't be going to Waterloo.

 

[Benjwri]

St Pancras MML is almost entirely seperate from the other side of it so there aren't security or signalling concerns, regardless the dudding hill line is far, far too slow and the capacity of the 4 MML platforms is already too full so it's not worth considering over Euston

Ahhhh I assumed that the poster was suggesting the international platforms at St Pancras, since the MML platforms aren't even connected to the NLL are they, and they are possibly the least intensively used platforms in central London. I didn't even consider they might mean the MML ones!

GWR won't be going to Waterloo.

And even if the plans had worked out they wouldn't have gone via Staines!