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Has anything been down the Aldwych branch since 2021?

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I'm well aware the answer is *probably* no, but just wanted to check... in 2021 the unpainted 1972TS that was at Aldwych was removed for spares, but I am also aware that operationally the line is technically still connected and live, so I was wondering if they ever have put anything in there, maybe in Holborn platform 5 perhaps?
 
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I'm well aware the answer is *probably* no, but just wanted to check... in 2021 the unpainted 1972TS that was at Aldwych was removed for spares, but I am also aware that operationally the line is technically still connected and live, so I was wondering if they ever have put anything in there, maybe in Holborn platform 5 perhaps?

I’m pretty sure the answer is no. As things stand at the present, it seems possible the branch may never see a train again, though never say never.

Another Covid legacy, though there was an element of planning blight as a result of there being a congestion scheme for Holborn which would likely have finished off the branch anyway.
 

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No. The line was permanently de-electrified in September 2023 and is now for all intents and purposes completely out of use. Elements of the signalling at Holborn had already been decommissioned prior to the final movement in 2021, and getting a train on and off the branch has always been a hassle. In shuttle days it required an awkward shunt move to get on the branch, and nowadays it requires manual movement of points on the ground as well as securing up and passing signals at danger. An incredibly time consuming process given the need to switch traction current on the main Piccadilly line on and off also. It isn’t something that can be done ad-hoc.

As long as the points are in place never say never, but even accounting for the possibility of outstanding engineers trains (the only likely use) it’s exceedingly unlikely.
 

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Thank you both for the information. What led them to decide to de-electrify the line? Was it tied-in with the post-covid scaling back of use of it?
 

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Use wasn’t really scaled back post-Covid, it barely got used as it is. The actual link was used twice a year, if lucky, to transfer the 72Mk1TS on and off the branch, and occasionally shuttle the train up and down.

With the need for TfL to slash costs and find savings it’s a pretty easy one - the branch spent most of its time switched off (unlike most of the network, traction current was ‘usually off’) yet still needed a full maintenance regime. I suspect that the lifespan of some of the assets was also a mitigating factor.

It’s likely the Holborn works will go ahead at some point too - it’s still an incredibly busy station - further necessitating the need to being decommissioning things.

As much as a shame it is to see parts of history go, TfL are running a business (whether we agree with that or not is a separate point) and the Aldwych branch rarely justified the outgoings - especially with Charing Cross far more readily accessible, and popular/contemporary for filming projects.
 

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As long as the points are in place never say never, but even accounting for the possibility of outstanding engineers trains (the only likely use) it’s exceedingly unlikely.
That sound like a challenge for the Branch Line Society to do a battery hauled tour!
 

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Considering @bluegoblin7’s informed observations, is there much point in TfL keeping Aldwych and it’s tunnels as part of their estate? It’s never going to be a major tourist attraction due to the lack of lifts… CGI and Charing Cross limits filming demand… Corporate events can’t bring in that much money compared to maintenance costs...

The station building is listed (and gorgeous) so of course should be kept (I think parts are still leased?), but – nostalgia aside – time to brick up the rest?
 

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Considering @bluegoblin7’s informed observations, is there much point in TfL keeping Aldwych and it’s tunnels as part of their estate? It’s never going to be a major tourist attraction due to the lack of lifts… CGI and Charing Cross limits filming demand… Corporate events can’t bring in that much money compared to maintenance costs...

The station building is listed (and gorgeous) so of course should be kept (I think parts are still leased?), but – nostalgia aside – time to brick up the rest?

Would that it be that simple!

Remember that TFL still own and maintain similar tunnels and a station which have been disused for their intended purpose since 1900, in the form of King William Street.

TFL can only dispose of the assets if someone wants them. That might be possible for the surface building, but is more difficult for the tunnels. Likewise they can only be sold to someone who is considered responsible enough to own, and more importantly, maintain them to a level where they don’t pose a hazard to anyone. A government institution might tick this box, selling to you or I wouldn’t. There also has to be some consideration as to whether they might be useful at some point in the future, as indeed King William Street was when TFL wanted to upgrade Bank station.

Abandoning the branch altogether is somewhat harder than just bricking up and forgetting, even if there are a handful of disused railway tunnels around the U.K. where this seems to have been what has ended up happening. Fully decommissioning and infilling is a significant piece of work, and would likely cost as much as many years worth of minimal upkeep. And as has been found in other locations, infilling is in itself not always as permanent a solution as it might seem, for various reasons.

For these reasons, status quo is likely to be what will end up happening, unless there’s a specific reason to do something else.
 

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Aldwych is actually a very useful resource for an underground metro system to have. It has been (and I imagine still is) used by the emergency services for training purposes. And out-of-use tunnels, accessible in central London during the daytime with none of the restrictions of the operational network make it an engineer's dream playground. We used it some years ago to trial various tunnel assessment techniques prior to rolling them out on the operational network. It would have been very hard to do that anywhere else.
 

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Aldwych is actually a very useful resource for an underground metro system to have. It has been (and I imagine still is) used by the emergency services for training purposes. And out-of-use tunnels, accessible in central London during the daytime with none of the restrictions of the operational network make it an engineer's dream playground. We used it some years ago to trial various tunnel assessment techniques prior to rolling them out on the operational network. It would have been very hard to do that anywhere else.
Most of the operational training exercises are now done at Charing Cross, which offers more space and a more typical (modern) set up with which to do so - and, if necessary, a live train.
 

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